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Ultra Financials ETF
Posted on 3/5/09 at 2:16 pm
Posted on 3/5/09 at 2:16 pm
Anyone else look at buying UYG right now? The whole freakin banking system will not fail and if it does, none of your money with a bank will mean crap anyway. I am thinking about placing a sizeable bet on the ultra financial ETF that has been murdered all year.
Am I saying it will pay off today, no. Tomorrow, doubtful. 5 years from now. Damn right.
Am I saying it will pay off today, no. Tomorrow, doubtful. 5 years from now. Damn right.
Posted on 3/5/09 at 2:20 pm to CaptainJ47
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whole freakin banking system will not fail
It might not fail, but stock values could become zero (see Citi thread; Bear Stearns) with the system no longer looking anything like it does today.
Posted on 3/5/09 at 2:20 pm to CaptainJ47
same thing i heard about buying Citi at $20/sh.
Posted on 3/5/09 at 2:25 pm to CaptainJ47
You have better have balls of tempered steel to make that kind of play.
Posted on 3/5/09 at 2:32 pm to Cold Cous Cous
I am 27 and realize that I can take significantly more risk than other people at higher ages.
In reference to the banking system, there may be significant dilution of common stock by the government at C, BAC, and the many others. However, while the banking system may experience some changes, if it completely crumbles we will have larger issues than stock values and FDIC.
For that matter, if the U.S. gets wiped out into financial oblivion, then the only assets that will matter are hard tangible assets and you sure as hell better have means by which to protect them.
I will take my risks and be starting a position a few thousand shares at a time.
In reference to the banking system, there may be significant dilution of common stock by the government at C, BAC, and the many others. However, while the banking system may experience some changes, if it completely crumbles we will have larger issues than stock values and FDIC.
For that matter, if the U.S. gets wiped out into financial oblivion, then the only assets that will matter are hard tangible assets and you sure as hell better have means by which to protect them.
I will take my risks and be starting a position a few thousand shares at a time.
Posted on 3/5/09 at 2:36 pm to CaptainJ47
If you are in to that.... FAS gives you 3X (in theory).
Posted on 3/5/09 at 2:42 pm to CaptainJ47
quote:I'm also 27 and realize that the first rule is "do not lose the money you already have."
I am 27 and realize that I can take significantly more risk than other people at higher ages.
Why in such a rush to jump in, anyway? You have forty years to retirement. What's wrong with sitting out a year in CDs and such until things are settled?
Posted on 3/5/09 at 3:12 pm to Cold Cous Cous
Most of the money, especially in percentage terms is to be made at the bottom. The same can be said about lost, so I am aware of that.
The crazy part is I am the type who won't put $5 on the blackjack table, but never hesitate to drop money in the stock market.
The crazy part is I am the type who won't put $5 on the blackjack table, but never hesitate to drop money in the stock market.
Posted on 3/5/09 at 3:53 pm to CaptainJ47
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(in theory).
Its 2x on daily movements, not over extended periods of time. You would not get anything close to the type of return you're anticipating. I highly suggest you read about the time decay on levered etfs.
Posted on 3/5/09 at 8:31 pm to kfizzle85
Guys the market is too risky at the moment to invest.There is 3-4% swing each day catch the trend and ride it for a day.Most of the traders trying to hit that home run trade end up losing a lot of money.Watch the VIX for reversals.
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