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Talks or no talks / Mine clearing or no mine clearing?
Posted on 4/11/26 at 6:13 pm
Posted on 4/11/26 at 6:13 pm
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Iran has set strict preconditions for negotiations, primarily demanding a lasting ceasefire in Lebanon and the release of frozen Iranian assets.
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High-level delegations led by JD Vance and Mohammad Baqer Qalibaf have opened direct talks in Islamabad to end the month-long conflict.
quote:jfeed
reports indicate that the delegations are meeting face-to-face
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Two U.S. warships have now attempted to transit the narrow chokepoint, the first such passage since the war with Iran began, as American forces kick off mine-clearance ops. According to the Pentagon and Trump-aligned reporting, the mission is moving forward.
Iranian state media and IRGC accounts tell a different story: they claim one U.S. destroyer was given a 30-minute ultimatum to turn back or face attack. Iran says it launched a UAV (drone) toward the ship, forcing the American vessel to reverse course and “escape” the area. Tehran is spinning the incident as a major win and proof the U.S. is bluffing.
Lying bastards.
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Posted on 4/11/26 at 6:24 pm to LSUbest
They're obviously full of shite. Governments lie, more at 11. Ours lies too.
Posted on 4/11/26 at 6:26 pm to AlterEd
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They're obviously full of shite. Governments lie, more at 11. Ours lies too.
So neither side of either story is true?
Posted on 4/11/26 at 6:28 pm to LSUbest
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So neither side of either story is true?
Hard to say, isn't it?
They said they dropped mines in the strait and can't find them. Then when we send ships in to clear them they threaten to drone attack those ships. If I had to guess I would say that we are doing what we want in the strait and they can't do a damn thing about it. But who the frick knows.
Posted on 4/11/26 at 6:35 pm to AlterEd
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But who the frick knows.
I think the fact that face to face talks are occuring without Iran's preconditions being met exposes who the liars are.
Posted on 4/11/26 at 7:04 pm to LSUbest
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Iran says it launched a UAV (drone) toward the ship, forcing the American vessel to reverse course and “escape” the area.
Yea a U.S. Navy Destroyer tucked tail and ran from one single UAV
Posted on 4/11/26 at 7:59 pm to LSUbest
Neither of those boats have a minesweeping mission, which was probably intentional (if a regular vessel can successfully transit, your tanker should be safe). The Avenger class minesweepers had hulls built out of wood, but are mostly? retired.
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America’s Littoral Combat Ships Are Getting a New Mission
As the MCMs are retired, the US Navy’s littoral combat ships (LCS) will be deployed to Bahrain. The problem-plagued vessels may have been designed for this specific role, but are being adapted accordingly.
Some of the Independence-class variants now in service are being outfitted with a Mine Countermeasure Mission Package (MCM MP), a suite of unmanned maritime sensors that were developed to locate, identify, and destroy mines in littoral waters.
The MCM package comprises an integrated suite of unmanned maritime systems and sensors, enabling the location, identification, and destruction of mines in the littoral areas while increasing the ship’s standoff distance from the threat area.
It remains unclear whether the MCM MP will be employed on the Freedom-class variants, but the US Navy has sought to find a role for the LCS, and mine countermeasures may be it.
Posted on 4/11/26 at 8:01 pm to LSUbest
Unfortunately both sides have been full of propaganda during this conflict.
I wish we’d just keep quiet and handle our business but that’s not how this administration operates.
I wish we’d just keep quiet and handle our business but that’s not how this administration operates.
Posted on 4/11/26 at 8:10 pm to LSUbest
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I think the fact that face to face talks are occuring without Iran's preconditions being met exposes who the liars are.
I mean, yes, sure, but also, they generally go into talks like this with maximalist demands before conceding ground. No remembers this, but they did the same thing with the last round of the Iranian hostage crisis negotiations, which saw four preconditions which were supposed to be accepted by the US before talks went forward, and then they went forward anyway. Comparing the preconditions to what ended up with in the Algiers Accords is a useful here, where their preconditions echo those talks.
Posted on 4/11/26 at 8:12 pm to LSUbest
Sounds like a plan we can all get behind!
Posted on 4/11/26 at 10:19 pm to LemmyLives
US Navy has been perfecting mine/anti-mine warfare at Stennis MS for a few decades. The MS and East La. coastal water are the official Littoral Warfare Lab. Fiberglass encased wooden vessels have been replaced by aluminum. Since Al "cuts like butter" the trick is to counter the mine before it blows up on contact. How sophisticated Iran mining operations are isn't public knowledge, but the Navy probably knows what it needs to.
Posted on 4/11/26 at 10:53 pm to Tree_Fall
I have pictures of my dad on a minesweeper in the Persian Gulf touching a 12'+ tall mine they'd hauled out of the water on the back of an Avenger class. Why he was there, I can't speculate. For some reason, Corpus was the center of some of that activity a couple of years later.
Posted on 4/11/26 at 10:59 pm to LSUbest
They aren’t going to negotiate. They’ve got us by the balls knowing they can shut down the straight of Hormuz at a moments notice and that there’s nothing we can do about it because US citizens and politicians are scared of high oil prices.
Time to accept a nuclear Iran and move on. We’re not stopping these drones and fast attack boats without deploying a lot of troops which won’t happen. I commend Trump for trying.
Time to accept a nuclear Iran and move on. We’re not stopping these drones and fast attack boats without deploying a lot of troops which won’t happen. I commend Trump for trying.
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Posted on 4/11/26 at 11:02 pm to Stidham8
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They’ve got us by the balls
They have China and India by the balls.
Accept a nuclear Iran and move on? I've never known an Auburn fan as dumb as you are.
Posted on 4/11/26 at 11:11 pm to LemmyLives
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They have China and India by the balls. Accept a nuclear Iran and move on? I've never known an Auburn fan as dumb as you are.
It’s not the preferable outcome but is 100% what will happen.
We don’t have the stomach to do what needs to be done in Iran. They will always control the strait because of that. Since they control the strait they’ve got us by the balls. They can wreck the oil market by sending out a few fast attack drone boats from endless hidden caves.
They have no reason to give up uranium enrichment with this ace up their sleeve.
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