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Which Of Our Neocon Brethren Believe A Failed Iranian State Secures Freedom For Iranians?

Posted on 3/15/26 at 6:01 pm
Posted by Toomer Deplorable
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Posted on 3/15/26 at 6:01 pm
I periodically repost this book review from time to time. Since many Trump fanboys now seem giddy that Trump 2.0 has apparently morphed into a neocon restoration project, it seems today is as good a day as any to do so again.





The Great Game: America’s Long & Disastrous Foreign Policy Agenda In The Middle East.

Iran looks to be the biggest loser in the latest turmoil to rock the Middle East. Yet tragically, Iran’s current Revolutionary State is in many ways a reaction and lasting legacy of past American interventionism in the region. How so?

Recommended reading: America's Great Game: The CIA's Secret Arabists and the Shaping of the Modern Middle East by Hugh Wilford.

This book of deep history focuses primarily on three CIA agents and their regime change efforts in three countries after WWII: Syria, Egypt and Iran. The key figure that emerges in this narrative is Kermit “Kim” Roosevelt — grandson of Theodore. Roosevelt was recruited into the newly created Central Intelligence Agency to head the Office of Policy Coordination, the espionage and counter-intelligence branch of the CIA.

A rather complicated chess game of competing powers in the newly formed CIA emerges — the Zionists vs. the anti-Zionists. And what a wicked game it was. Wilford illustrates how these agent provocateurs were very short sighted in their schemes and largely viewed the indigenous populations of the Middle Eastern nations as simple pawns in a larger chess game between the Great Powers.

These CIA wunderkinds with blue-blood pedigrees viewed the nation states in the post-colonial era as blank slates to be shaped at will by their supposed knowledge and intellect. Yet rather than fundamentally transform power relations in the Middle East to pro-American sentiment as promised, this spy clique of the Eastern Establishment inculcated a residual and generational resentment toward American meddling in the region that is still evident today.

Along with Roosevelt, Miles Copeland — a Birmingham Alabama native and the father of the famed rock musician Stewart — is another CIA spook who was instrumental in shaping the Middle Eastern landscape after the end of WWII. Copeland helped orchestrate the first CIA military coup in the region: a 1949 bloodless putsch in Syria. The CIA installed Husni al-Za’im, a former Kurdish officer in the Ottoman Army.

Kim Roosevelt, along with assistance from his cousin Archibald Roosevelt, in turn masterminded the 1953 Iranian coup d'état which toppled nationalist prime minister Mohammed Mosaddeqh after Mosaddeqh nationalized the petroleum industry in Iran.

Archibald Roosevelt in turn orchestrated a second 1956 regime change operation in Syria after a violent counter-coup displaced the al-Za’im regime. This second regime change operation in Syria and the ensuing instability ultimately helped push Syria closer to the USSR.

This was a repeated pattern. The CIA’s initial backing of Egyptian General Mohamed Naguib — and his young protege General Gamal Abdel Nasser — likewise backfired when Nasser ousted his elder benefactor, turned his back on the West and nationalized the Suez Canal.

As a tweak to the West, Nasser also opened diplomatic channels to the Soviet Union and supported the creation of a socialist pan-Arabic State. And of course, we all know the results of the festering resentment over the installation of the Shah that ultimately resulted in the Iranian revolution.

Whether it was braggadocio, naïveté or misplaced idealism, the failures of these nation building efforts shaped the modern Middle East that we know today. Sadly, this “game” continues anew. The same doublespeak and false promises spew forth from the mouths of these Masters of the Universe types in our corrupt national security apparatus.

Perhaps it was possible at one time to posit that the chaos and violent fury released upon the region after the Iraq War was an unforeseen contingency. Yet we have now seen a succession of four Middle Eastern nations — Iraq, Libya, Yemen and now Syria — engulfed in violence and human catastrophe after US, NATO and Western military intervention. And now these Masters of the Universe want a war with Iran?

Not coincidentally, each of these repeated military interventions have been followed by a staggering refugee wave headed for Europe. Yet in the name of pluralism, Western nations are sternly lectured by many of these same ruling elites that it must open their borders to a deluge of immigrants whose values are wholly alien to pluralistic societies and must instead welcome these immigrants though many have demonstrated violent antagonism toward free societies?

At this late stage, naïveté can’t be blamed for these repeated failures. It is indeed sheer madness to claim the situation in the Middle East is all an unforeseen accident. The pattern is established and is crystal clear for anyone who doesn’t regurgitate Deep State talking points. The minute details and the exact coordination of the plan becomes irrelevant when the larger pattern is so clear: chaos — the more violent the better — is the goal of these repeated regime change operations.

We can’t change the past. But must we be doomed to repeat it? Endlessly on a loop?



Posted by goatmilker
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Posted on 3/15/26 at 6:02 pm to
Oh well a ....book!
Posted by Rip Torner
Member since Jul 2023
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Posted on 3/15/26 at 6:05 pm to
If Iran becomes a failed state, it is the fault of Iran’s regime not Trump. They chose to arm dozens of terrorist groups and kill thousands of their own people not to mention their obsession with nuclear enrichment
Posted by lurking
Member since Nov 2022
1985 posts
Posted on 3/15/26 at 6:06 pm to
I don’t think Iran is really comparable to Iraq/Afghanistan. The Persians were a majority secular, westernized country prior to Carter’s dumbass meddling that lead to the Islamic Republic.

Not the case in Iraq/Afghanistan.
Posted by jammajin
Member since Jul 2024
1668 posts
Posted on 3/15/26 at 6:18 pm to
Neo libs: We have to have regime change in order for this,operation to be successful. And there has to be boots on the ground for regime change

Also neo libs: Neo cons are back !!!!!
Posted by Bobby OG Johnson
Member since Apr 2015
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Posted on 3/15/26 at 6:26 pm to
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Toomer Deplorable

Posted by Bunk Moreland
Member since Dec 2010
67542 posts
Posted on 3/15/26 at 6:28 pm to
The old Bobby OG Johnson I know would have opposed this dumb conflict. Sad.
Posted by lake chuck fan
Vinton
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Posted on 3/15/26 at 6:50 pm to
Oh lawd!!! Ain't reading all that shite!


Posted by dickkellog
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Member since Dec 2024
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Posted on 3/15/26 at 7:06 pm to
no one cares what you think boy, what do you do for a living, where did you go to school, it'd be a lot easier to take your definitive proclamations seriously if we knew more about you. honestly i think you're a parts runner at your local NAPA store.
Posted by monsterballads
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Posted on 3/15/26 at 7:10 pm to
You think this board is reading all that shite?

They want war and they want it NOW
Posted by DyeHardDylan
Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 3/15/26 at 7:15 pm to
quote:

The Persians were a majority secular, westernized country prior to Carter’s dumbass meddling that lead to the Islamic Republic.


No they weren’t lol

Iran is 90% Shia Muslim, which is one of the reasons Ruhollah Khomeini gathered so many followers after he was exiled by the Shah. The Shah tried to “westernize” Iran by building movie theaters and bars and other symbols of American decadence, but these were burned down and deemed corrupting influences in Iran by the revolutionaries.
Posted by jrobic4
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Member since Aug 2011
13026 posts
Posted on 3/15/26 at 7:16 pm to
quote:

Persians were a majority secular, westernized country


So was Turkey. The reality is, ME Peoples are easily seduced or subjugated by by hardcore Islamists
Posted by MasterDigger
Member since Nov 2019
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Posted on 3/15/26 at 7:18 pm to
quote:

Which Of Our Neocon Brethren Believe A Failed Iranian State Secures Freedom For Iranians?

Which Phag Poster believe that taking it up the arse forever secures their freedom over their arse???

Phag


Posted by Strannix
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Member since Dec 2012
53610 posts
Posted on 3/15/26 at 7:18 pm to
Does the leaving the middle ages theocracy in place secure their freedom? Theyre gonna get a shot at it, its up to them.
Posted by RobbBobb
Member since Feb 2007
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Posted on 3/15/26 at 7:42 pm to
quote:

America’s Great Game, by Hugh Wilford, a book that examines the role of a front group created by the CIA in 1951 to promote an anti-Zionist view of the Middle East and weaken American support for Israel.

Seriously? A 1951 timeline?

I think times have changed a bit
Posted by Toomer Deplorable
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Posted on 3/15/26 at 8:05 pm to
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Oh well a ....book!


Oh well…documented history.

Posted by Toomer Deplorable
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Member since May 2020
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Posted on 3/15/26 at 8:13 pm to
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If Iran becomes a failed state, it is the fault of Iran’s regime not Trump. They chose to arm dozens of terrorist groups and kill thousands of their own people not to mention their obsession with nuclear enrichment


Do we need reminding that the Islamic Revolution in Iran itself was partially a result of these same failed interventionist policies? It certainly appears so.

The Shah’s regime was sabotaged by agents of chaos in our nation’s own national security apparatus. Declassified documents revealed that the Carter Administration were secretly in communication with Khomeini and other opposition leaders, contradicting the widely disseminated narrative that the Carter Administration was wholly surprised by the Iranian Revolution.

Iran And The Shah. What Really Happened?

…Long regarded as a U.S. ally, the Shah was pro-Western and anti-communist, and he was aware that he posed the main barrier to Soviet ambitions in the Middle East. As distinguished foreign-affairs analyst Hilaire du Berrier noted: “He determined to make Iran capable of blocking a Russian advance until the West should realize to what extent her own interests were threatened and come to his aid…. It necessitated an army of 250,000 men.” The Shah’s air force ranked among the world’s five best. A voice for stability within the Middle East itself, he favored peace with Israel and supplied the beleaguered state with oil.

On the home front, the Shah protected minorities and permitted non-Muslims to practice their faiths. “All faith,” he wrote, “imposes respect upon the beholder.” The Shah also brought Iran into the 20th century by granting women equal rights. This was not to accommodate feminism, but to end archaic brutalization.

Yet, at the height of Iran’s prosperity, the Shah suddenly became the target of an ignoble campaign led by U.S. and British foreign policy makers. Bolstered by slander in the Western press, these forces, along with Soviet-inspired communist insurgents, and mullahs opposing the Shah’s progressiveness, combined to face him with overwhelming opposition. In three years he went from vibrant monarch to exile (on January 16, 1979), and ultimately death, while Iran fell to Ayatollah Khomeini’s terror.

Houchang Nahavandi, one of the Shah’s ministers and closest advisers, reveals in his book The Last Shah of Iran: “We now know that the idea of deposing the Shah was broached continually, from the mid-seventies on, in the National Security Council in Washington, by Henry Kissinger, whom the Shah thought of as a firm friend.”

Kissinger virtually epitomized the American establishment: before acting as Secretary of State under Republicans Richard Nixon and Gerald Ford, he had been chief foreign-affairs adviser to Nelson Rockefeller, whom he called “the single most influential person in my life.” Jimmy Carter defeated Ford in the 1976 presidential election, but the switch to a Democratic administration did not change the new foreign policy tilt against the Shah.

Every presidential administration since Franklin D. Roosevelt’s has been dominated by members of the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR), the most visible manifestation of the establishment that dictates U.S. foreign policy along internationalist lines. The Carter administration was no exception.

What is the solution to modern Iran? Before listening to war drums, let us remember:

It was the CFR clique — the same establishment entrenched in the Bush and Obama administrations — that ousted the Shah, resulting in today’s Iran. That establishment also chanted for the six-year-old Iraq War over alleged weapons of mass destruction never found.

Therefore, instead of contemplating war with Iran, a nation four times Iraq’s size, let us demand that America shed its CFR hierarchy and their interventionist policy that has wrought decades of misery, and adopt a policy of avoiding foreign entanglements, and of minding our own business in international affairs.




Posted by bleedsgarnet
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Member since Apr 2014
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Posted on 3/15/26 at 8:29 pm to
When seatbelts were instituted the reasoning was "if one life can be saved its worth it"..

In this situation its a guarantee that thousands of lives can be saved and gives people many freedoms we take for granted

Why dont you volunteer to live there...
Posted by Toomer Deplorable
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Member since May 2020
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Posted on 3/15/26 at 8:43 pm to
quote:

You think this board is reading all that shite?

They want war and they want it NOW



Certainly not the ones who think this is a witty rejoinder:


quote:

Which Phag Poster believe that taking it up the arse forever secures their freedom over their arse???

Phag


Yet this post is not intended for such low IQ types.

The point here is to reach the small yet ever growing number of posters on this forum who are awakening to the reality that blind devotion to these failed interventionist policies are just another example of failed statism that needlessly risk American lives.

Posted by BOHICAMAN
Member since Feb 2026
1159 posts
Posted on 3/15/26 at 8:45 pm to
TLDR but your OP presumes that Iran will become a failed state, which isn’t set in stone and not even likely IMO.
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