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Venezuela conflict motive theory - drone subs

Posted on 12/19/25 at 11:03 pm
Posted by Kjnstkmn
Vermilion Parish
Member since Aug 2020
19136 posts
Posted on 12/19/25 at 11:03 pm



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The Posture Doesn’t Match the Mission

The administration is presenting the buildup around Venezuela as an expanded counternarcotics campaign.

That explanation doesn’t hold water.

We do not fly F-35s to Puerto Rico for cocaine skiffs. We do not send a carrier strike group to the Caribbean for routine interdiction. We do not move an Amphibious Ready Group with an embarked Marine Expeditionary Unit for drug runners. Traditional counterdrug operations lean on Coast Guard cutters and patrol aircraft that find, track, and vector law enforcement onto small boats.

The force package tells you what planners are worried about. An ARG/MEU is what you deploy when you want Marines available for rapid ashore operations. Fifth-generation fighters are what you deploy when you expect contested airspace or need precision strike options against defended targets. A declared blockade is an act of coercion against a state, not a tool for catching smugglers.

None of this makes sense as a counternarcotics campaign. All of it makes sense as preparation for a larger contingency.

If counternarcotics is a cover story, the next question is why the administration would need one. The most likely answer is that the real concern is harder to talk about publicly. A serious vulnerability close to home, one that requires this kind of posture to address, is not something you advertise.

Saying it openly makes homeland defense look porous. It invites a public reaction that could narrow options and force escalation on a political timetable rather than a strategic one. It also tells adversaries exactly what you’re worried about and how much leverage they have.



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Friedman Sees It Too

George Friedman, founder of Stratfor and Geopolitical Futures, has arrived at a similar conclusion. Friedman placed U.S. actions around Venezuela in the context of the Monroe Doctrine and Cold War competition in the Caribbean. Present-day tensions with Russia, he argued, have driven Moscow to renew its interest in the Western Hemisphere as a counter to U.S. actions in Ukraine.

When Washington applies pressure near Russian borders, Moscow looks for leverage near America’s. Friedman has also emphasized the cartel connection, seeing a modern version of Cold War proxy operations taking shape. Russia working through the Maduro regime and cartel infrastructure to create leverage against Washington.

What Friedman identifies clearly is the target. At least half of all U.S. imports and exports move through Gulf Coast ports. Texas and Louisiana are of fundamental economic importance, and if access were disrupted, Atlantic and Pacific ports would struggle to offset the shortfall. The Gulf is also the seaward gateway to the Mississippi River system, the country’s main inland artery for bulk commodities and industrial inputs.

All Gulf traffic funnels through just two exits, the Straits of Florida and the Yucatán Channel. The Straits span only about 90 miles at their narrowest point.

What Friedman does not address is how an adversary would actually threaten those corridors without putting Russian submarines on station or establishing a visible military footprint in the hemisphere. Autonomous underwater vehicles answer that question.



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Vehicles (UUVs and AUVs) Every once in a while, a new technology emerges that breaks the existing equilibrium. Machine guns collapsed the logic of massed infantry. U-boats shattered the assumption that surface fleets controlled the seas.

Autonomous underwater vehicles belong in that category. Our entire globalized trading system rests on a basic assumption that goods can move freely across the world’s oceans. For decades, U.S. naval dominance secured the shipping lanes on which increasingly stretched supply chains depend.

We offshored critical parts of our industrial base and spread key inputs across the globe, assuming they would always remain accessible.

UUVs threaten to shatter that assumption. They are cheap, nearly impossible to detect, and a handful of them can shut down entire shipping lanes. They can sever undersea cables, isolating countries both digitally and physically. And there is almost nothing we can currently do to neutralize the threat at scale.

The volume of global shipping today is orders of magnitude larger than it was a century ago.

In World War I, the solution to U-boats was naval escorts and convoys. That is not a viable strategy today. The U.S. simply does not have the fleet capacity to protect the traffic that globalization has created.

This is not just a threat to commerce. It directly undermines the ability to project power and sustain military operations. A persistent UUV threat near U.S. approaches would strain the economy and force the military to defend the homeland at exactly the moment those assets are needed elsewhere.


On December 15, 2025, Ukraine opened a new chapter in naval warfare by using an underwater drone to strike a Russian submarine in the defended port of Novorossiysk. It was the first time a UUV had ever been used in a strike. The target was a Kilo-class submarine, valued at roughly $500 million, that had been used to fire cruise missiles at Ukrainian cities. The attack succeeded in a confined port with patrols, barriers, sensors, and controlled approaches. If that can happen in a space purpose-built for defense, clearing an open shipping corridor that stretches for hundreds of miles is an impossibility.

Two days later, Russia revealed just how defenseless it is against this threat. On December 17, 2025, the Russian Navy sank several barges at the entrance to the Novorossiysk port pier to prevent any further Ukrainian drones from entering. Russia has effectively imprisoned its own Black Sea Fleet because it has no other way to defend against cheap autonomous drones.
This post was edited on 12/19/25 at 11:09 pm
Posted by Lsupimp
Ersatz Amerika-97.6% phony & fake
Member since Nov 2003
85349 posts
Posted on 12/19/25 at 11:18 pm to
Makes perfect sense. It can’t all be just anti Maduro bluster. There has to be a “there there”. There is a Realpolitik here that people aren’t understanding.

Posted by Mr Breeze
The Lunatic Fringe
Member since Dec 2010
6674 posts
Posted on 12/20/25 at 12:38 am to
Have been involved in the engineering, design and ocean testing of commercial and military grade AUV's (drone subs) since the early 2000's.

No AUV civil or military currently exists that fits the tactical mission profile described by the author. He confuses a Ukrainian one-off at close range with large, ocean scale operations. It is being worked on, is not cheap, small or deployable at the scale envisioned without significant surface vessel support.

This 11 minute video is a good unclassified overview of two developments in progress. There are others similar ongoing by defense contractors here and in Europe.



Posted by LSUbest
Coastal Plain
Member since Aug 2007
15020 posts
Posted on 12/20/25 at 12:46 am to
Thanks
Posted by 0
Member since Aug 2011
17507 posts
Posted on 12/20/25 at 12:48 am to
No, it’s about oil.
Posted by LSUbest
Coastal Plain
Member since Aug 2007
15020 posts
Posted on 12/20/25 at 3:17 am to
quote:

terrorist organizations are the biggest issue in our hemisphere right now, but the good news is that most of the region is cooperating with us to help solve that — most of Central America, most of the Caribbean, most of South America, and even Mexico somewhat... almost everyone but Venezuela. Venezuela is not only not cooperating with us, but it's cooperating with our enemies, both inside and outside of the hemisphere. 


https://pjmedia.com/sarah-anderson/2025/12/19/the-new-monroe-doctrine-maduro-wins-a-prize-machado-breaks-and-marco-courts-the-hemisphere-n4947275
Posted by bluedragon
Birmingham
Member since May 2020
9026 posts
Posted on 12/20/25 at 5:36 am to
Stupidity in think tanks on steroids.

Ever been to a UFO Convention or a simple IEEE Convention?

IEEEE is the scout club of Electrical Engineers.

Go in and sit in the paper presentations. That’s more entertaining than Santa at the Mall. PHD’s with nothing to offer , presenting their required annual papers to the membership.

Most with zero speaking skills, papers hastily written for last minutes submittals. Clown show.

What a farce. Imagine that Scientology and Star Wars got their start there.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
297014 posts
Posted on 12/20/25 at 5:49 am to
quote:

. It's not about oil. The real explanation involves a new technology that could cripple half of American trade. I lay out the case in my latest report.


Sounds like double fear mongering. When normal fear mongering isnt enough.
Posted by UncleLogger
Freetown
Member since Jan 2008
3126 posts
Posted on 12/20/25 at 6:11 am to
What?

If they just came out and said, “hey, this guy isn’t fricking with our banking system and the resources he controls could become a problem” they’d actually get more support than from all this other bullshite.

Posted by lake chuck fan
Vinton
Member since Aug 2011
21422 posts
Posted on 12/20/25 at 7:05 am to
We've talked this since this started, the real motives. Growing Chinese influence, Maduro close to China and Iran, allowing Islamic terrorists to train and live on Margarita Island, oil and natural resources, at the bottom of the list is narco smuggling.
Posted by HagaDaga
Member since Oct 2020
5940 posts
Posted on 12/20/25 at 7:18 am to
This is true. And something the "not our business" isolationist hardliners don't get.
quote:

Our entire globalized trading system rests on a basic assumption that goods can move freely across the world’s oceans. For decades, U.S. naval dominance secured the shipping lanes on which increasingly stretched supply chains depend.

We offshored critical parts of our industrial base and spread key inputs across the globe, assuming they would always remain accessible.
Posted by Mr Breeze
The Lunatic Fringe
Member since Dec 2010
6674 posts
Posted on 12/20/25 at 9:01 am to
quote:

Stupidity in think tanks on steroids.

Ever been to a UFO Convention or a simple IEEE Convention?

IEEE is the scout club of Electrical Engineers.


Assuming you are an e.e., it's odd your perspective is so far from reality. IEEE sets the standards for many things we use in every day life, Bluetooth one simple example. Others, many far more complex used worldwide.

IEEE Spectrum is their general public information news site, electronics, science and physics.

IEEE Spectrum

Don't see any Scientology or UFO tin foil hat conspiracy theory articles there.
Posted by Timeoday
Easter Island
Member since Aug 2020
17826 posts
Posted on 12/20/25 at 9:48 am to
I do appreciate anything George Friedman presents. Thank you.
Posted by bluedragon
Birmingham
Member since May 2020
9026 posts
Posted on 12/20/25 at 10:29 am to
IEEE Committees set the standards, not the fiction from Convention papers.

As a member and committee member one should know that. The work is done in the committees not on the floor of the funny farm.

Obvious you didn’t get meaning of my rant. Paper presentations are crap because the speakers are the same.
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