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The Stones ' pop period is better than the beatle' Rock attempts

Posted on 11/18/25 at 10:30 pm
Posted by OWLFAN86
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Posted on 11/18/25 at 10:30 pm
Fight me



Helter Skelter kicked arse tho
Posted by Kafka
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Posted on 11/18/25 at 10:35 pm to
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just like the OP
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Posted on 11/18/25 at 10:39 pm to
jesus, Chicken pay YouTube their cut
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Posted on 11/18/25 at 11:44 pm to
Stones are better than Beatles on every level.
Posted by Big Scrub TX
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Posted on 11/18/25 at 11:59 pm to
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Stones are better than Beatles on every level.
Here's the attention you wanted.
Posted by hogcard1964
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Posted on 11/19/25 at 8:04 am to
I love both groups, but I'm not sure if I agree with this.

I will say this, everyone talks about how big Beatlemania was (it was), but in 1965-1966 the Stones were absolutely also on fire. They had hit after hit after hit.

BTW, the new Black and Blue box set is killer.
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Posted by Cdawg
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Posted on 11/19/25 at 8:06 am to
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Stones are better than Beatles on every level.

Posted by Big Scrub TX
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Posted on 11/19/25 at 2:05 pm to
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Stones are better than Beatles on every level.
Let me list some ways in which this is preposterously wrong:

a)The quality of the median song. The Beatles have ~185 originals. At least 100 of those (if not 150) are good enough to have been the envy of not just one hit wonders, but even decent bands that are well thought of. A litany of all-time, anthemic classics that somewhat define the Western canon. The Stones have - clustered at the top - an impressive array of all-timers. But there is so much middling dreck littered throughout.

b)Songwriting and the drive to write songs. I'm sure you're aware of the fact that The Beatles wrote and gave to the Stones their first big hit (I Wanna Be Your Man). Not only did they need to be spoonfed a new tune, but they didn't even realize it was POSSIBLE to write their own songs.
Posted by Big Scrub TX
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Posted on 11/19/25 at 2:06 pm to
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I will say this, everyone talks about how big Beatlemania was (it was), but in 1965-1966 the Stones were absolutely also on fire. They had hit after hit after hit.
Sure, that was a fire time for the Stones. But they weren't even in the same universe as Beatlemania.

And on top of that, they looked to glom onto Beatlemania whenever they could (e.g. All You Need Is Love).
Posted by Big Scrub TX
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Posted on 11/19/25 at 2:07 pm to
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The Stones ' pop period is better than the beatle' Rock attempts
Which songs outside of Helter Skelter are you claiming were "rock attempts"?
Posted by Cdawg
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Posted on 11/19/25 at 2:36 pm to
So you didn't like my gif?
Posted by hogcard1964
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Posted on 11/19/25 at 5:59 pm to
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Sure, that was a fire time for the Stones. But they weren't even in the same universe as Beatlemania.

And on top of that, they looked to glom onto Beatlemania whenever they could (e.g. All You Need Is Love).


I'm im agreement with you on this. Nobody was as big as the Beatles. However, they were most certainly in the same universe.

A distant second nonetheless.

...and everyone latched onto the Beatles' star.
Posted by Kafka
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Posted on 11/19/25 at 6:33 pm to
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Stones are better than Beatles on every level
lead vocals?

harmonies?
Posted by hogcard1964
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Posted on 11/19/25 at 8:04 pm to
Beatles production and engineering was also heads and tails ahead of everyone.
Posted by Kafka
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Posted on 11/19/25 at 8:14 pm to
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Beatles production and engineering was also heads and tails ahead of everyone
Far ahead of Shel Talmy's work w/the Kinks and Who. Even Entwhistle admitted their production was miles and miles better (get it??? good.)

They were also superior, if not as markedly, to Oldham's work w/the Stones
Posted by hogcard1964
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Posted on 11/19/25 at 8:19 pm to
Yep

Talmy was a butcher.

Did you ever happen to read Geoff Emerick's book?
Posted by Kafka
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Posted on 11/19/25 at 8:24 pm to
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Did you ever happen to read Geoff Emerick's book?
I read it years ago

it's full of errors and kissing paul's arse

google AI:
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Geoff Emerick's book Here, There and Everywhere is considered inaccurate by many Beatles fans and historians due to alleged factual errors, a perceived strong bias towards Paul McCartney, and a negative depiction of George Harrison. Specific examples of inaccuracies cited include details about the recording of "Blackbird" and "Hey Jude," and claims about George Harrison's musical contributions. Other engineers, such as Ken Scott, have countered Emerick's version of events in their own books
Posted by FightinTigersDammit
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Posted on 11/19/25 at 9:47 pm to
All I can say is, I'd rather listen to the Stones any day.
Posted by Big Scrub TX
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Posted on 11/19/25 at 11:52 pm to
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I'm im agreement with you on this. Nobody was as big as the Beatles. However, they were most certainly in the same universe.

A distant second nonetheless.
Not the same universe. It's hard now even for people that are hugely into Beatles history to truly have a sense of how insane it was. When they went to Australia, 200K people lined the streets from the airport into town. Nothing like that ever happened for the Stones (or anyone else). Not even close.
Posted by Big Scrub TX
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Posted on 11/19/25 at 11:53 pm to
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it's full of errors and kissing paul's arse
That's true, but there's still lots of good info in it. The Stones weren't even close to doing anything as inventive and daring in the studio as The Beatles.
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