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No Gin & Tonics today…. I can’t wrap my head around the “terminated with cause” stuff.
Posted on 11/11/25 at 4:45 pm
Posted on 11/11/25 at 4:45 pm
I know my last post was silly and all, but I promise… gin was not involved while making this one. (Comments are fair game) ;)
Just wanted to throw this out there and get some thoughts. Let me preface by saying this has to be the biggest LSU dumpster fire in my lifetime. Hands down. But I always try to take an objective view of things. I’ve read the filings, skimmed every forum I could during my afternoon poop, even consulted ChatGPT. Poor Pudd is more confused than we are. Anyway, here’s where my head’s at:
1. The timing here is wild. The AD meets with BK. Emails get exchanged. BK unofficially officially terminated. The AD steps down. Retires. LSU’s board starts negotiating a buyout and keeping things cordial. I wasn’t in the room where it happened, so who knows for sure, but then suddenly it flips to “nah, we’re firing you for cause and not paying a dime.” That’s not a casual shift. If you think about it, they could only make that move once things became procedural. Technically, by informing Kelly on Nov 10 that the firing is with cause, LSU is now doing what they were supposed to do all along because everything before that wasn’t legally valid. Shady or not, they’re following the process now.
2. If this cause existed before the buyout talks, that’s a disaster for LSU’s credibility, well, even more of a disaster. The only way this timing makes sense is if whatever they found came out after those discussions started. The Greg Brooks situation is pretty much out the window. That happened years ago, and leveraging a player’s tragedy just to dodge a contract payout would be downright gross.
3. Once you file a termination with cause, don’t you have to go public with what the cause actually is? Otherwise it looks worse for everyone. Even if BK folds because the cause is bad, if we never find out what it was, both sides end up looking shady.
4. BK still looks like the good guy right now, but we don’t know the cause, and it’s a federal holiday so everything’s crawling. The longer LSU stays silent, the worse this looks. Either they’ve got something massive or they’re hoping the optics pressure BK into settling quietly.
What am I missing here? Timing, tone, and process are everything. Also, I love good rumors, don’t hold back. :)
Also, happy Veterans Day! Thank you for all who served!
Just wanted to throw this out there and get some thoughts. Let me preface by saying this has to be the biggest LSU dumpster fire in my lifetime. Hands down. But I always try to take an objective view of things. I’ve read the filings, skimmed every forum I could during my afternoon poop, even consulted ChatGPT. Poor Pudd is more confused than we are. Anyway, here’s where my head’s at:
1. The timing here is wild. The AD meets with BK. Emails get exchanged. BK unofficially officially terminated. The AD steps down. Retires. LSU’s board starts negotiating a buyout and keeping things cordial. I wasn’t in the room where it happened, so who knows for sure, but then suddenly it flips to “nah, we’re firing you for cause and not paying a dime.” That’s not a casual shift. If you think about it, they could only make that move once things became procedural. Technically, by informing Kelly on Nov 10 that the firing is with cause, LSU is now doing what they were supposed to do all along because everything before that wasn’t legally valid. Shady or not, they’re following the process now.
2. If this cause existed before the buyout talks, that’s a disaster for LSU’s credibility, well, even more of a disaster. The only way this timing makes sense is if whatever they found came out after those discussions started. The Greg Brooks situation is pretty much out the window. That happened years ago, and leveraging a player’s tragedy just to dodge a contract payout would be downright gross.
3. Once you file a termination with cause, don’t you have to go public with what the cause actually is? Otherwise it looks worse for everyone. Even if BK folds because the cause is bad, if we never find out what it was, both sides end up looking shady.
4. BK still looks like the good guy right now, but we don’t know the cause, and it’s a federal holiday so everything’s crawling. The longer LSU stays silent, the worse this looks. Either they’ve got something massive or they’re hoping the optics pressure BK into settling quietly.
What am I missing here? Timing, tone, and process are everything. Also, I love good rumors, don’t hold back. :)
Also, happy Veterans Day! Thank you for all who served!
Posted on 11/11/25 at 4:50 pm to GeauxBirds
Just admit that you're not smart enough to understand the legalities of this, not plugged in enough to know the facts of this, and not important enough for your opinion on these circumstances to matter. You'll feel a lot better.
Posted on 11/11/25 at 4:53 pm to ATLTiger24
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Just admit that you're not smart enough to understand the legalities of this, not plugged in enough to know the facts of this, and not important enough for your opinion on these circumstances to matter. You'll feel a lot better.
Yes! In fact, my post says literally all of that! You just said it so brilliantly and concise lol
Posted on 11/11/25 at 4:54 pm to GeauxBirds
I asked a question in another post about the written notification not having a due date.
No one answered yet, but I wonder if the termination clauses don’t apply until a written notice is given.
No one answered yet, but I wonder if the termination clauses don’t apply until a written notice is given.
Posted on 11/11/25 at 4:58 pm to bayouboo
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I asked a question in another post about the written notification not having a due date.
That’s the thing, I haven’t seen or heard of anyone giving official notice to BK outside of Woodward. Not only was he not authorized to terminate BK, he stepped down immediately after. BK emailed them, but LSU never gave official notice before Nov 10th.
Posted on 11/11/25 at 5:04 pm to GeauxBirds
So can LSU just keep honoring the contract minus the duties listed until a deal is struck?
Posted on 11/11/25 at 5:09 pm to bayouboo
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So can LSU just keep honoring the contract minus the duties listed until a deal is struck?
Yep!! LSU would have kept paying Brian Kelly under his contract… hence the AD moving him outside of the football program (removing his active duties until a deal or official ruling is reached.) It kept them legally compliant. buys time to finalize either a buyout or a for-cause case. LSU just pulled the trigger on the for-cause case, legally pausing pay, while the case is in court.
Posted on 11/11/25 at 5:22 pm to GeauxBirds
The contract states that they must notify him what the cause is and he’s allowed time to rebut it,
Looks like LSU has not officially done that.
Looks like LSU has not officially done that.
Posted on 11/11/25 at 5:26 pm to GeauxBirds
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BK still looks like the good guy right now, but we don’t know the cause, and it’s a federal holiday so everything’s crawling. The longer LSU stays silent, the worse this looks. Either they’ve got something massive or they’re hoping the optics pressure BK into settling quietly.
what on earth?
Kelly failed to do a good job, he failed to recruit, he failed to hire wisely, he failed to stop drinking on the job, he failed at remembering players names, he failed to stay faithful to his wife, he will never look good in this situation suing LSU for his rediculous contract..
He rejected two offers
so now it's on
Posted on 11/11/25 at 5:26 pm to deathvalleytiger10
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Looks like LSU has not officially done that.
Apparently they did yesterday, hence BKF LLC filed suit over.
Posted on 11/11/25 at 5:29 pm to deathvalleytiger10
The “for cause” section states that the written notice can be provided at any time before the end of the contract.
I am no lawyer, but it doesn’t look like LSU defaulted yet if they are honoring the contract terms. The only grey area is the description of job duties mentions Head Coach… can they strip duties but honor payment terms? Or does stripping duties void the contract?
I am no lawyer, but it doesn’t look like LSU defaulted yet if they are honoring the contract terms. The only grey area is the description of job duties mentions Head Coach… can they strip duties but honor payment terms? Or does stripping duties void the contract?
Posted on 11/11/25 at 5:36 pm to deathvalleytiger10
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he contract states that they must notify him what the cause is and he’s allowed time to rebut it,
Looks like LSU has not officially done that.
The contracts states that they must notify in writing what is the breach of contract and give him 7 days to correct such breach. If same is not corrected then he must be notified in writing that termination for cause is being consideration and be given 7 days to appeal/refute, yada yada yada. Looks like LSU has not done any of it and therein lies the problem.
Posted on 11/11/25 at 5:37 pm to ApexTiger
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what on earth?
When I meant he looks like the good guy, the optics appears as though we are firing him with cause to avoid paying a legally bonded contract.
I just want to know what the heck the cause is. Whatever it is, it has to be bad enough to:
1- make this shite show an even shittier shite show
2- make a buy out impossible. Can’t put that genie back in the bottle.
So now we are left with paying out the contract and all fees, or we are completely ruining BK’s career legacy (all 35 years of it) because whatever it is has to be that bad for LSU to win that case.
Posted on 11/11/25 at 5:41 pm to Curtis Lowe
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Looks like LSU has not done any of it and therein lies the problem.
You made a good point. They did notify BK yesterday, hence the suit being filed.
I just wanna know what the cause is. If it’s worst than what Coach O was doing, I am here for the drama.
Posted on 11/11/25 at 5:41 pm to Curtis Lowe
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Looks like LSU has not done any of it and therein lies the problem.
Section 11 A is pretty straightforward… they can provide written notice at any time. The clock starts from the notice.
Posted on 11/11/25 at 5:45 pm to GeauxBirds
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Woodward. Not only was he not authorized to terminate BK,
Why doesn't the AD have authority to fire a coach? Again, I was a High sChool AD and had authority to fire a coach, but the only times I did was at the end of a season and I told/asked my Principal beforehand.
Doesn't a College AD have the authority also?
Posted on 11/11/25 at 5:46 pm to GeauxBirds
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You made a good point. They did notify BK yesterday, hence the suit being filed.
I just wanna know what the cause is. If it’s worst than what Coach O was doing, I am here for the drama.
It's pure posturing. LSU offered ridiculously low amount, Kelly countered with ridiculously high amount. LSU tries to strong-arm, Kelly called the bluff.
Posted on 11/11/25 at 5:50 pm to bayouboo
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Section 11 A is pretty straightforward… they can provide written notice at any time. The clock starts from the notice.
Not if notice is given after employee has already been terminated under a different section of the contract. Then any notice is moot.
This post was edited on 11/11/25 at 5:57 pm
Posted on 11/11/25 at 5:56 pm to bayouboo
Termination not for cause which gives rise to the liquidated damages that are being negotiated.
Tune in tomorrow for another episode of "As the Coonasses Crawfish" when you will see our fearless leadership step on their johnsons again.
Tune in tomorrow for another episode of "As the Coonasses Crawfish" when you will see our fearless leadership step on their johnsons again.
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