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Fueds & Lawsuits Within Bands

Posted on 8/24/25 at 4:59 pm
Posted by Mizz-SEC
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Posted on 8/24/25 at 4:59 pm
I'd like to hear the stories you're aware of and details as to why.

Did it break up the band? Or were they able to move past it to stay together or reunite?
Posted by Kafka
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Posted on 8/24/25 at 5:13 pm to
One biographer put it best:

"After finishing the reunion tour, the Beach Boys returned to what they do best - suing each other"
Posted by Kafka
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Posted on 8/24/25 at 5:20 pm to
Posted by Kafka
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Posted on 8/24/25 at 5:24 pm to
Are we counting bands suing their managers?

Allan Klein & George Harrison



Keith Richards called working with Klein "$25M worth of experience"
Posted by Kafka
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Posted on 8/24/25 at 5:27 pm to
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In 1977, [James William] Guercio and Chicago parted ways after the band discovered that his contract was paying him 51% of profits, with the other 49% shared between the eight band members. In the CNN biography "Now More Than Ever: The History of Chicago", the group revealed that "millions of dollars" had gone to Guercio while he was their manager. He has also been accused of mismanagement by Chicago, having been found to have pocketed royalty payments for most of the band's tenure
Posted by Kafka
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Posted on 8/24/25 at 5:33 pm to
Doors drummer John Densmore wrote an entire book about the band suing each other

Posted by Kafka
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Posted on 8/24/25 at 5:39 pm to
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The following year, in 1972, [Stan] Polley negotiated a record contract with Warner Bros. Records for Badfinger, which had its advances paid into an escrow account belonging to Polley. In 1974, Warner's publishing division filed a lawsuit against Polley when it was unsuccessful in locating the funds. The legal morass crippled Badfinger financially; leading to band leader Pete Ham taking his own life on April 24, 1975. His suicide note directly blamed Polley for his financial ruin. Eight years later bandmate Tom Evans died by suicide on November 19, 1983.
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Evans hanged himself in his garden on 19 November 1983, at the age of 36. He had fallen into a dispute with former bandmate Joey Molland over royalties for the song "Without You" the previous evening.
Posted by Kafka
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Posted on 8/24/25 at 5:46 pm to
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In 1990, Hawkeye floundered, and Nilsson found himself in a dire financial situation after it was discovered that his financial adviser, Cindy Sims, had embezzled all the funds he had earned as a recording artist. The Nilssons were left with $300 in the bank and a mountain of debt, while Sims was imprisoned for less than two years before her 1994 release and was not required to pay restitution
2 yrs in a country club prison for $2-3M
Posted by LanierSpots
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Posted on 8/24/25 at 7:03 pm to
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The Pink Floyd feud between David Gilmour and Roger Waters stems from a deep-seated power struggle over the band's creative direction and legacy, beginning in the mid-1960s and intensifying after Waters' departure in 1985. Waters, the conceptual visionary, felt threatened by Gilmour's growing creative influence and saw himself as Pink Floyd's leader, while Gilmour became the band's emotional core and musical heart. The feud escalated into public arguments, legal battles after Waters tried to dissolve Pink Floyd, and ongoing social media conflicts, even involving Gilmour's wife, Polly Samson, who has traded barbs with Waters.










I am team Gilmour but these two guys not being able to work together any longer cost us all some great music


Posted by hogcard1964
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Posted on 8/24/25 at 7:05 pm to
I'd like to check that Densmore book out. Do you know who was sueing who?
Posted by Kafka
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Posted on 8/24/25 at 7:09 pm to
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I'd like to check that Densmore book out. Do you know who was sueing who?
IIRC, RK & RM wanted to tour as The Doors but JD sued to stop them

J Fogerty sued Cook and Clifford to stop them touring as CCR, one of many lawsuits in the Creedence saga
Posted by TFTC
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Posted on 8/24/25 at 7:10 pm to
The Go-Gos

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Lawsuit with Kathy Valentine
The most prominent lawsuit involved bassist Kathy Valentine, who sued her former bandmates in 2013.
Background: Valentine was fired from the band after a series of disputes, including her publishing of a "Twitter memoir" that detailed some of the band's internal conflicts and substance abuse.
The suit: Valentine sued Belinda Carlisle, Jane Wiedlin, Charlotte Caffey, and Gina Schock for breach of contract and breach of fiduciary duty.
Valentine's claims: She alleged that the other members attempted to dilute her 20% share of the band's revenues down to 2% by forming a new corporation that excluded her. This was allegedly done to prevent her from participating in a planned tour.
Resolution: The lawsuit was settled out of court in early 2014. Valentine would rejoin the band in 2018 for a tour and future activities.
Lawsuit with Gina Schock
In the 1990s, drummer Gina Schock filed her own lawsuit against the other members.
The suit: The suit, which was filed in 1997, alleged that Schock was not adequately paid for her contributions since 1986. It also claimed that a songwriting agreement with Charlotte Caffey had been breached.
Resolution: The suit was resolved by 1999, and the band continued to tour together.
Lawsuit with Margot Olavarria
The group also faced a lawsuit from their original bassist, Margot Olavarria, who was replaced by Kathy Valentine in 1980.
The suit: Olavarria sued her former bandmates in 1982 for wrongful removal from the group.

Posted by TFTC
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Posted on 8/24/25 at 7:12 pm to
Black Flag

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The "Black Flag lawsuit" refers to the trademark dispute initiated by Black Flag founder Greg Ginn in 2013 against former bandmates Keith Morris, Chuck Dukowski, Dez Cadena, and Bill Stevenson, who had formed the reunion group FLAG. Ginn claimed they were infringing on the Black Flag name and logo. The lawsuit was settled in 2014, with Ginn retaining ownership of the Black Flag name, logo, and recordings, while FLAG was permitted to continue as FLAG and no longer use the Black Flag logo.

Details of the Lawsuit

The Complaint:
Greg Ginn, through his label SST Records, filed suit against the former members of Black Flag who formed FLAG, alleging that their use of the name and the iconic four-bar logo infringed on his rights. He also claimed Henry Rollins was involved in fraudulent trademark applications and the misuse of the logo.
Initial Ruling:
In 2013, a judge ruled against Ginn's attempt to stop FLAG from performing, finding that the band's name and logo had fallen into "generic use" and that Ginn had not sufficiently proven fan confusion. The judge also noted that the Flag posters included disclaimers, and the extensive media coverage of the dispute would likely prevent fan confusion.
The Settlement:
The case was ultimately settled out of court in 2014.
Terms of the Settlement:
Ginn and SST Records retained full ownership of the Black Flag name, logo, and all past recordings.
FLAG was allowed to continue performing under their name.
FLAG agreed to cease using the Black Flag logo.
Henry Rollins and Keith Morris were to convey any rights they had in the trademark to Ginn and SST.
Why it Mattered
Greg Ginn 'Forced' to Sue FLAG, Says Black Flag Founder's ...
The lawsuit highlighted ongoing tensions between Ginn and his former bandmates over the band's legacy and intellectual property. It also illustrated the complexities of trademark law for bands, particularly when a name or logo has been used extensively by various members or has entered the public domain to a degree.
Posted by Kafka
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Posted on 8/24/25 at 7:18 pm to
The Vogues ("You're the One", 1965) were sued by their manager who owned the name. In a settlement they were given the rights to play their hometown Pittsburgh area. He got the rights for everywhere else.

Moby Grape's manager would not advance them money when they started unless he owned the rights to the name. For 40 yrs he would not allow them to use it. I think they played one reunion show as "Maybe Grope". I believe they finally got the rights back about 15 yrs ago.
Posted by Kafka
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Posted on 8/24/25 at 7:21 pm to
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Burton Cummings has cranked up the volume in his ongoing and long-standing dispute with some former bandmates over the licensing of songs made famous by the Guess Who. Cummings, the former frontman of the legendary rock band originally formed in Winnipeg in 1965, spoke at length about the feud with the current incarnation of the Guess Who, or as he calls it, "the fake band," in a Thursday interview with CBC Manitoba's Up To Speed. "I want people to realize that Randy Bachman, Kurt Winter, Bill Wallace, all the people that wrote the songs … we're the ones that made the records. I don't want the history of the band to be tied up with these fakes," he told host Faith Fundal. "The cover band has used my songs and Randy's songs over the years to draw people to their fake shows. It's not the band on the records that is showing up to the gigs and this is what we're going to stop." Cummings recently terminated agreements with performing-rights organizations for every Guess Who song he wrote and published, which means fans of hits like American Woman or These Eyes can't hear them played live in concert unless he allows it to happen.
Posted by ManBearTiger
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Posted on 8/24/25 at 8:06 pm to
Netflix had a doc 15+ years ago titled Rumours about Fleetwood Mac that was incredible . It was low budget and probably available on youtube
Posted by Tchefuncte Tiger
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Posted on 8/25/25 at 6:59 am to
Here's the latest:

LINK

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Sting is being sued for millions of pounds over missing royalties by his former bandmates from The Police.

Sting, real name Gordon Matthew Sumner, 73, is now involved in another legal battle, as he is handed a High Court writ from guitarist Andy Summers and drummer Stewart Copeland.

The former band members are suing the frontman for millions, claiming ‘substantial’ damages.

A source detailed to The Sun: ‘This has been coming for quite some time.

‘Lawyers tried repeatedly to reach an out-of-court settlement but hit a stalemate.

‘Andy and Stewart decided there was no alternative than court, so pressed the button. They say they are owed millions in lost royalties.’

London’s High Court has listed the legal issue under ‘general commercial contracts and arrangements’ with Sting appearing under his real name as a defendant, and his company Magnetic Publishing Limited, also listed as a defendant.
Posted by Mizz-SEC
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Posted on 8/25/25 at 11:05 am to
I watched a Blondie documentary which culminated with Frank Infante being rebuffed after begging to play with the group at the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame ceremony. I can't find definitive information, but it appears Infnate and bassist Nigel Harrison had to sue to get performing royalties on various tracks and albums and Debbie Harry and Chris Stein took it personally.

If so, it seems like Debbie and Stein should have accepted the L and buried the hatchet. Am I wrong here?
Posted by Wtodd
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Posted on 8/26/25 at 10:11 am to
Journey has had many lawsuits within the band
Posted by Galactic Inquisitor
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Posted on 8/26/25 at 11:03 am to
Local musician/producer Fred Weaver's small claim to fame was reporting on the Don Caballero implosion from inside the tour.

The Final Dark Days of Don Caballero

David St. Romain got misnamed:

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David St. Germain is a clerk at Staples about 20 miles west of Nashville. He grew up in Baton Rouge -- he knows a few people that I know. David is an aspiring country singer. He's "got a gig tonight," and needs to get guitar strings. We've got strings. We're in Staples because we need a binder for the tour book, which until now has been a pile of paper rubber-banded into a manila folder. David's curious about our tour, about how much money we make. It's always hard to talk to people in David's world because our world just doesn't compare. The economics just wouldn't make sense to him. It's almost with shame (for the volumes it speaks of America's appreciation of art) that I tell him what kind of money we're making. It's almost with shame that I often have to explain to people outside the indie rock loop that, at the height of Don Caballero's popularity, this band that is destined to be referenced as an important groundbreaking band for years to come makes only an average of $700 a show. And me, well I make far less than that. But we've made enough so far to buy a binder and some ballpoint pens, as well as a pouch to hold Don Caballero's bank. Since I'm now acting as tour accountant, the bank gets to stay stuffed in my pants which makes it easier for me to pay for tolls and gas. It's not so much money that it distresses me, usually only $150 after I pay everyone each morning.


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