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What if the European peoples had banded together to destroy the early Islamic caliphates?
Posted on 5/18/25 at 11:04 pm
Posted on 5/18/25 at 11:04 pm
How different would the world be if the European tribes and kingdoms would have recognized the threat of the early Islamic caliphates and stopped them in their tracks?
I feel like so many areas of the world would be so much better off. The Middle East, Africa, and South Asia would all be more advanced because they wouldn’t have had an Islamic chokehold on them for the past 1300 years. They wouldn’t have been so stifled as far as education, learning, civil rights, democratic principles, etc. are concerned.
Also, there wouldn’t have been so much conflict with neighboring peoples, and those countries economies would have thrived. We wouldn’t have a lot of the conflicts of the modern geopolitical world and most likely the U.S.A. would not be at odds with the Middle East.
If only Europe’s peoples could have united and stamped that fire out before it became uncontrollable. The Rashidun, Umayyad, & Abbasid Caliphates should have been squashed.

I feel like so many areas of the world would be so much better off. The Middle East, Africa, and South Asia would all be more advanced because they wouldn’t have had an Islamic chokehold on them for the past 1300 years. They wouldn’t have been so stifled as far as education, learning, civil rights, democratic principles, etc. are concerned.
Also, there wouldn’t have been so much conflict with neighboring peoples, and those countries economies would have thrived. We wouldn’t have a lot of the conflicts of the modern geopolitical world and most likely the U.S.A. would not be at odds with the Middle East.
If only Europe’s peoples could have united and stamped that fire out before it became uncontrollable. The Rashidun, Umayyad, & Abbasid Caliphates should have been squashed.

This post was edited on 5/18/25 at 11:10 pm
Posted on 5/18/25 at 11:22 pm to cbree88
Would have been world peace because Europeans would never declare war on each other
This post was edited on 5/18/25 at 11:23 pm
Posted on 5/18/25 at 11:24 pm to FutureCorridor49
what if they did that now?
Posted on 5/18/25 at 11:26 pm to cbree88
They recognized it. They're just pussies.
Posted on 5/18/25 at 11:31 pm to cbree88
quote:
What if the European peoples had banded together to destroy the early Islamic caliphates?

Haven’t spent much time trading about the Spanish reconquista or the crusades, have you?

Posted on 5/18/25 at 11:32 pm to Rockbrc
quote:
Crusades
Those were divided and weak. I’m talking about a real, bonafide, united effort.
Not some half-arse Crusades fought with mercenary soldiers
This post was edited on 5/18/25 at 11:39 pm
Posted on 5/18/25 at 11:34 pm to Joshjrn
quote:I offered a guy the 30 Years War for it
Haven’t spent much time trading about the Spanish reconquista
Posted on 5/18/25 at 11:36 pm to cbree88
Europeans were more concerned with slitting the throats of the heretics the next kingdom over than they were the Islamics encroaching on their frontier. They saw them as potential allies as often as they saw them as adversaries.
Fun fact: at the climactic battle of Vienna in 1683, the Christian kingdoms of Upper Hungary and Transylvania fought on the Ottoman side and Cossacks fought on the Holy Roman Empire side.
Fun fact: at the climactic battle of Vienna in 1683, the Christian kingdoms of Upper Hungary and Transylvania fought on the Ottoman side and Cossacks fought on the Holy Roman Empire side.
This post was edited on 5/18/25 at 11:45 pm
Posted on 5/18/25 at 11:37 pm to Joshjrn
quote:
Haven’t spent much time trading about the Spanish reconquista or the crusades, have you?
There’s like 100 things wrong with this quote from you.
First, the Crusades did not happen in the early days of Islam during the 600s and 700s when the first 3 caliphates were founded. The crusades were 400-500 years later when Islam was already firmly established and never going away.
Also, the Crusades were often weak, half-arse efforts fought with mercenaries.
Furthermore, the Crusades were not intended to stamp out Islam or destroy caliphates. They were intended to recapture Christian holy lands around Israel that had been invaded and captured by the Muslims centuries earlier.
This post was edited on 5/18/25 at 11:41 pm
Posted on 5/18/25 at 11:44 pm to cbree88
The degree this post is completely ignorant of history is absolutely staggering.
And riddled with hindsight.
To put in context, to do what you suggest would be like suggesting South America invading the US.
And riddled with hindsight.
To put in context, to do what you suggest would be like suggesting South America invading the US.
Posted on 5/18/25 at 11:46 pm to Volvagia
quote:
To put in context, to do what you suggest would be like suggesting South America invading the US.
Not even close. Your post is full of hyperbole.
Posted on 5/18/25 at 11:46 pm to Volvagia
quote:It's because the OP is a bona fide drunk retard. Disgrace to his own kind. A child and pure idiot in the worst way.
The degree this post is completely ignorant of history is absolutely staggering.
Posted on 5/18/25 at 11:48 pm to 214
[quote]It's because the OP is a bona fide drunk retard. Disgrace to his own kind. A child and pure idiot in the worst way.[/quote
Oh look, here’s 214 shite posting again. Shocker!
You have yet to make a post on this site that’s worth a shite, dude.
Pot meet kettle
Oh look, here’s 214 shite posting again. Shocker!
You have yet to make a post on this site that’s worth a shite, dude.
Pot meet kettle
This post was edited on 5/18/25 at 11:49 pm
Posted on 5/18/25 at 11:49 pm to cbree88
Just speaking facts young man. I do contribute greatly on the Tiger Rant. See my topic history
Then look at your own
Pot meet kettle meets Pot again
Then look at your own
Pot meet kettle meets Pot again
This post was edited on 5/18/25 at 11:50 pm
Posted on 5/18/25 at 11:50 pm to cbree88
quote:
What if the European peoples had banded together to destroy the early Islamic caliphates?
There would be a different religion that conquered a similar amount of cultures/kingdoms, and the Europeans would have continued killing each other. Europe (and the world) would be superficially different, and basically the same.
Posted on 5/18/25 at 11:59 pm to cbree88
You want to pit Europe when they were still reeling and still trying to figure out how to fill the void after the fall of the Roman Empire, against a surging group that was the center of academic learning and accomplishment in the world in the period.
Never mind that when Europe actually could project power, they still failed to take and hold even a small portion of the area, even with religious motivations.
They only barely beat back the Muslims right in the time period you are talking about, with the overconfident Muslims allowing their backs to be broken at Tours.
Which leads to the secondary point: in the time period you are talking about, Europe WAS fighting. They pushed exactly as hard as they could.
What precisely is it you are saying they should have done. Killed every man woman and child in Islamic territories? Europe didn’t have the ability to hold such a wide swath of territory for a duration. Hell, if you want a modern analogue, the hugely lopsided battle between the US and Afghanistan had the US there for 20 years and nothing changed. What you expect to happen with near peers?
Never mind that when Europe actually could project power, they still failed to take and hold even a small portion of the area, even with religious motivations.
They only barely beat back the Muslims right in the time period you are talking about, with the overconfident Muslims allowing their backs to be broken at Tours.
Which leads to the secondary point: in the time period you are talking about, Europe WAS fighting. They pushed exactly as hard as they could.
What precisely is it you are saying they should have done. Killed every man woman and child in Islamic territories? Europe didn’t have the ability to hold such a wide swath of territory for a duration. Hell, if you want a modern analogue, the hugely lopsided battle between the US and Afghanistan had the US there for 20 years and nothing changed. What you expect to happen with near peers?
Posted on 5/19/25 at 12:01 am to 214
quote:
Just speaking facts young man. I do contribute greatly on the Tiger Rant. See my topic history Then look at your own Pot meet kettle meets Pot again
Nothing you said is factual, Einstein. It’s opinions………….And you have the nerve to call me a retard? What a damn hypocrite
Posted on 5/19/25 at 12:03 am to cbree88
Res ipsa loquitur
This post was edited on 5/19/25 at 1:01 am
Posted on 5/19/25 at 12:03 am to cbree88
Believe it or not the Muslims of the 1200-1300 were much more civilized than our dark age ancestors. Unfortunately, they were also much more civilized than the Muslims of today
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