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The domino theory re: Putins invasion of Ukraine

Posted on 2/28/25 at 4:47 pm
Posted by Vandergriff
Member since Nov 2020
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Posted on 2/28/25 at 4:47 pm
Putin should not have started this war 3 years ago. But much of Zelenskyys rhetoric is centered around Putin going even further into Eastern Europe if he is not stopped now, even saying today we would "feel his influence " eventually.

Putin has no chance whatsoever of successfully invading a NATO nation. None. And he and the world know this.

So what is with this "domino" theory of aggression? Has it been stated somewhere that this is his goal?
Posted by Proximo
Member since Aug 2011
21934 posts
Posted on 2/28/25 at 4:48 pm to
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it been stated somewhere that this is his goal?

Putin has said the exact opposite. Listen to the Tucker interview
Posted by Godfather1
What WAS St George, Louisiana
Member since Oct 2006
87304 posts
Posted on 2/28/25 at 4:49 pm to
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So what is with this "domino" theory of aggression?


A lot of bullshite fear-mongering.
Posted by SCLibertarian
Conway, South Carolina
Member since Aug 2013
40828 posts
Posted on 2/28/25 at 4:49 pm to
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So what is with this "domino" theory of aggression? 

It's a bullshite theory that is used by self-important and self-interested fart sniffers in the Beltway to justify looting the treasury and sending thousands of middle American "peasants" to die in a third-world shithole.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
464622 posts
Posted on 2/28/25 at 4:49 pm to
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So what is with this "domino" theory of aggression?

Ask Georgia and Estonia. Ukraine isn't the first country since 2008 to feel this from Russia.
Posted by Seldom Seen
Member since Feb 2016
48737 posts
Posted on 2/28/25 at 4:49 pm to
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So what is with this "domino" theory of aggression?




Scare tactics meant to convince the naive into "Standing with Ukraine".
Posted by Proximo
Member since Aug 2011
21934 posts
Posted on 2/28/25 at 4:51 pm to
That’s a very low iq analysis of the situation. Obama and Biden created this mess
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
293515 posts
Posted on 2/28/25 at 4:52 pm to
Russia isnt overwhelming Ukraine, they would stand no chance vs a Western European country.

While they have more bodies than Ukraine, the cumulative losses would become a major problem should it proceed from there..

Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
464622 posts
Posted on 2/28/25 at 4:53 pm to
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That’s a very low iq analysis of the situation.

It's the same MO/influence effort in all 3

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Obama and Biden created this mess

Obama?

You clearly are not educated on the conflict
Posted by Proximo
Member since Aug 2011
21934 posts
Posted on 2/28/25 at 4:55 pm to
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Obama? You clearly are not educated on the conflict

Holy shite SFP
and you try to act intelligent on here

Bro doesn’t even know about the CIA and the maidan coup
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
464622 posts
Posted on 2/28/25 at 4:57 pm to
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Bro doesn’t even know about the CIA and the maidan coup

Ignoring the fact that Maidan was an organic reaction

Obama was specifically hands off with Ukraine, even allowing Russia to illegally seize Crimea. He was not quiet about his belief that he didn't believe in the costs of intervention.

Posted by Proximo
Member since Aug 2011
21934 posts
Posted on 2/28/25 at 4:58 pm to
New York Times

NYT so you don’t bitch about sources

“Organic”
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
76732 posts
Posted on 2/28/25 at 5:00 pm to
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Ask Georgia and Estonia.


Most of these people don't even know what you're talking about.
Posted by dickkellog
little rock
Member since Dec 2024
1763 posts
Posted on 2/28/25 at 5:01 pm to
you really don't understand that europe has no military, all of trumps biotching about their NATO spending that's not just rhetoric. UK has 136 fighter aircraft, 1000 eurofighter typhoons and 30 f35's with 6 more on order.
Posted by Narax
Member since Jan 2023
5540 posts
Posted on 2/28/25 at 5:01 pm to
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Ask Georgia and Estonia. Ukraine isn't the first country since 2008 to feel this from Russia.


Georgia, Armenia, Azerbaijan will likely be his next targets of interest.

Estonia made a good call of getting into NATO while Russia was down.

Moldavia also a target.

This is why the EU countries are stupid, they would rather spite Trump and push him further away, when all that will do is put more countries like Estonia outside the US Nuclear umbrella.

Posted by Nosevens
Member since Apr 2019
16952 posts
Posted on 2/28/25 at 5:02 pm to
Your first premise is wrong. It was NATO doings with movement and talks of inclusion of Ukraine
Posted by BluegrassCardinal
Kentucky
Member since Nov 2022
1705 posts
Posted on 2/28/25 at 5:03 pm to
Ukraine shouldn’t have shelled Russian ethnic areas in the Donbas.

The poor little Ukraine narrative is getting old
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
464622 posts
Posted on 2/28/25 at 5:03 pm to
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Published Feb. 25, 2024


An actual contemporary source, pre-2022 invasion

quote:

In an interview with Jeffrey Goldberg of The Atlantic, President Obama laid out key elements of his approach to foreign policy. There is much in it with which one can agree. “Don’t do stupid s——” makes sense as an axiom of foreign policy—or of any policy, for that matter—as does taking deliberate and strategic decisions about when to engage American military power.

As regards the two-year-old conflict between Ukraine and Russia, the president said Ukraine is a core interest for Moscow, in a way that it is not for the United States. He noted that, since Ukraine does not belong to NATO, it is vulnerable to Russian military domination, and that “we have to be very clear about what our core interests are and what we are willing to go to war for.”


Original Atlantic article cited above

So your theory is:

Obama orchestrates a coup, to...what? Install a Western puppet that does what? Immediately cede Crimea because the West won't get involved, only to be ousted by a non-puppet in Zelensky a few years later (2019)?
Posted by BoardReader
Arkansas
Member since Dec 2007
7363 posts
Posted on 2/28/25 at 5:05 pm to
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Putin has no chance whatsoever of successfully invading a NATO nation. None. And he and the world know this.

So what is with this "domino" theory of aggression? Has it been stated somewhere that this is his goal?


Not to take away from the excitable narrative that people love here, but Putin has been extremely clear on this for a long time, most notably in his professional writings in Russian.

He actually touched on it during his long rambling monologue during the Tucker Interview, without addressing it directly. He also touches on it a bit more broadly in his 2021 essay 'On the Historical Unity of Russians and Ukrainians' ; likewise there are statements from speeches and appearances and documents dating back essentially to the Chechen crisis that speak more in terms of the restoration of the former Russian Empire, rather than the Soviet era borders explicitly.

Now, this war may have bled him dry of his offensive capability to interfere in other peripheral states-- see what happened in Nagorno Karabagh, where the Armenians were absolutely kicked in the teeth by the Azeris.

However, his willingness to continuously prosecute a disastrous war in the Ukraine, his ongoing meddling in Georgian internal politics, etc all argue that he will continue to pursue these aims, as he had for the decade and a bit before this particular outbreak of violence.




Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
464622 posts
Posted on 2/28/25 at 5:05 pm to
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Most of these people don't even know what you're talking about.


They clearly don't know Russia's MO, especially when they have to respond when "ethnic Russians are attacked"

Like this comment

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Ukraine shouldn’t have shelled Russian ethnic areas in the Donbas.


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