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Mcmahon and Upsets
Posted on 2/26/25 at 8:21 am
Posted on 2/26/25 at 8:21 am
Last night, Georgia pulled off an impressive upset over Florida at home. Saturday, Arkansas, Oklahoma, Vanderbilt, and South Carolina pulled off wins as underdogs. Multiple on here have said that we shouldn't expect to beat the likes of Florida and Tennessee, so there's no point in getting upset about it. However, teams across the league pull off upsets, especially at home, yet we are the one team that is very much incapable of doing so, we have the right to get frustrated over it. Under Mcmahon, we are a grand total of 9-45 in underdog games. 3 of those wins are against out of conference opponents. Looking at the other teams in the conference, the only teams that have played more games as underdogs are South Carolina and Vanderbilt. USC is 19-42 and Vandy is 17-40. We have the second worst winning % in games that we are not favored since 2022 in the SEC, only above Auburn who is rarely not favored in games with a 2-11 record as an underdog.
Even bad teams have decent crowds when they play top ranked teams. The PMAC continues to be a morgue against the top teams in the country because there is little to no hope that Mcmahon is capable of pulling off an upset. Even a blind squirrel finds a nut, but Mcmahon seems incapable to do even that
Even bad teams have decent crowds when they play top ranked teams. The PMAC continues to be a morgue against the top teams in the country because there is little to no hope that Mcmahon is capable of pulling off an upset. Even a blind squirrel finds a nut, but Mcmahon seems incapable to do even that
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Posted on 2/26/25 at 8:30 am to Aforem7
I agree. I do think it's silly to get overly upset about losing individually to a Tennessee, Florida, Auburn, Alabama, etc. - It's even reasonable to say that we played fairly well compared to expectations in each of those games, but it's completely justified being upset at the fact that we have not won a single one of those. The completely blown Ole Miss game should have been McMahon's nail in the coffin. It's odd how this team overperforms against the best teams just enough to get close losses, and at the same time underperforms against the average teams just enough to also get close losses. Hopefully this NIL boost does something worthwhile in 2026. It really sucks that we were within 5 points with 10 minutes remaining against a top 5 team last night, and I still didn't even care enough to turn it on.
Posted on 2/26/25 at 8:33 am to Aforem7
His only “upset” was over an overrated Kentucky team and it was due to a miracle play by a guy he basically ran off the team. Brilliant.
Posted on 2/26/25 at 8:33 am to Aforem7
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However, teams across the league pull off upsets, especially at home, yet we are the one team that is very much incapable of doing so, we have the right to get frustrated over it.
I get it, CMM has not been good.
But 2 of our 3 SEC wins this year were as underdogs. Same as SC’s “upset”, you will be an underdog every game when you’re not a good team
This post was edited on 2/26/25 at 8:36 am
Posted on 2/26/25 at 8:39 am to iamandykeim
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completely blown Ole Miss game should have been McMahon's nail in the coffin
This.
Posted on 2/26/25 at 8:39 am to Aforem7
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Under Mcmahon, we are a grand total of 9-45 in underdog games. 3 of those wins are against out of conference opponents.
Increasing the NIL budget will help us improve this to 10-60 by next year. Have some faith
Posted on 2/26/25 at 8:40 am to JimTiger72
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But 2 of our 3 SEC wins this year were as underdogs
Most books had the Arkansas game as a pick. That would make the Oklahoma game the only SEC game that we won that we were not favored in
Posted on 2/26/25 at 8:47 am to Aforem7
I was at the Florida game last weekend. No joke less than 50% of the PMAC was full and I'd say 10% of that was Florida fans. If we would've pulled off the upset there may have been 20 students to storm the court. It's a shame because I've seen the PMAC get lit and it's fun. Fan support is at an all time low. They really need to fire him.
Posted on 2/26/25 at 8:48 am to Aforem7
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Most books had the Arkansas game as a pick. That would make the Oklahoma game the only SEC game that we won that we were not favored in
I also wouldnt consider being like a 2-3-4 point "underdog" a true underdog win. I would think being at least a 5 point underdog would really make it more so a true underdog type of win. 2-3-4 points is just nothing in CBB.
It's 1 thing to beat a team you were a 10 point underdog to vs. being a 1-2 point underdog to. The second is basically a pick'em, the first you are a true underdog where they really dont expect you to win. OU game was a 7.5 point spread so it would qualify IMO, albeit they have kind of sucked as the season went on and are basically the same type of team as we are just about, but without that win by us they are still in the hunt for a tourney bid right now.
This post was edited on 2/26/25 at 8:52 am
Posted on 2/26/25 at 8:49 am to DhanTigers212
It's pretty crazy that he isn't being fired. As a fan, it very disappointing.
Posted on 2/26/25 at 8:53 am to Aforem7
That stat vs USCe and Vandy is wild.
10 more wins and CMMs tenure probably looks a lot different.
Hell if we just held on vs Ole Miss and didn't let me Texas throttle us in the pmac this season looks a lot different
10 more wins and CMMs tenure probably looks a lot different.
Hell if we just held on vs Ole Miss and didn't let me Texas throttle us in the pmac this season looks a lot different
Posted on 2/26/25 at 9:06 am to Pnels08
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That stat vs USCe and Vandy is wild.
Well, our program has been way less successful than those 2 over the past 3 years.
SC had 12 wins as an underdog during their NCAAT run last year. Now they’re 1-14 in SEC.
Vandy is an NCAAT team this year.
I’m not defending MM, but it’s not a fair comparison bc we’ve never had a “good” year.
This post was edited on 2/26/25 at 9:07 am
Posted on 2/26/25 at 9:16 am to JimTiger72
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Well, our program has been way less successful than those 2 over the past 3 years.
SC had 12 wins as an underdog during their NCAAT run last year. Now they’re 1-14 in SEC.
Vandy is an NCAAT team this year.
I’m not defending MM, but it’s not a fair comparison bc we’ve never had a “good” year.
So its not a fair comparison because we have sucked?
Posted on 2/26/25 at 9:19 am to Aforem7
Yes 
if you compare our results to a team who has made the tournament, their results will obviously look better. It’s not some ground breaking analysis
if you compare our results to a team who has made the tournament, their results will obviously look better. It’s not some ground breaking analysis
Posted on 2/26/25 at 9:23 am to JimTiger72
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But 2 of our 3 SEC wins this year were as underdogs.
How many SEC games have we been favorites in?
If you are always underdogs because you're that bad, of course you'll eventually get a win as a 1.5 favorite at home against another dogshit team.
Posted on 2/26/25 at 9:23 am to Aforem7
I was at the PMAC last night and the arena was no more than 25% full.
Now the in-vogue excuse is lack of NIL money. I would like to see a documented source showing we are at the bottom of the league in Men's basketball NIL
Will NIL money create a better coach for us??
Now the in-vogue excuse is lack of NIL money. I would like to see a documented source showing we are at the bottom of the league in Men's basketball NIL
Will NIL money create a better coach for us??
Posted on 2/26/25 at 9:34 am to JimTiger72
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Yes
if you compare our results to a team who has made the tournament, their results will obviously look better. It’s not some ground breaking analysis
The comparison with South Carolina was started by Mascona and the AD as some sort of excuse for Mcmahon, while completely ignoring the fact that South Carolina had a great season last year. Lets ignore last year since thats apparently what you want to do. Both USC and LSU have won 2 games as underdogs this year. In year 1, USC won 6 games as an underdog and LSU won 3. Your argument also doesn't hold up for vanderbilt
Posted on 2/26/25 at 9:40 am to JimTiger72
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I’m not defending MM, but it’s not a fair comparison bc we’ve never had a “good” year.
I think this is the point, we haven't had a good year... because we aren't getting upsets. Like I mentioned if we had 2 or 3 upsets (at home) we are probably looking at the ncaa tournament bubble right now.
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Vandy is an NCAAT team this year.
Again I think this is the gripe, Mizzou turned it around in one year and now Vandy with a new coach instant turned it around. Meanwhile we turned it back around to the duldrums.
Posted on 2/26/25 at 10:01 am to Pnels08
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I think this is the point, we haven't had a good year... because we aren't getting upsets. Like I mentioned if we had 2 or 3 upsets (at home) we are probably looking at the ncaa tournament bubble right now.
This is exactly the point of my post. To become a tournament team, you have to be able to pull off a couple upsets, especially in a difficult league like the SEC. JimTiger keeps bringing up South Carolina last season. Part of the reason that they were able to have a breakout season and make the tournament is because they were able to pull off some upsets and beat teams they weren't supposed to beat. The year that we won the SEC under Wade, we weren't favored in 9 games. We went 6-3. You're not going to be favored in every game, no matter how good you are. You have to figure out how to win games where the odds are stacked against you, and Mcmahon can't figure out how to do that.
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