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How does this Time Magazine article make you feel?
Posted on 2/15/25 at 8:01 am
Posted on 2/15/25 at 8:01 am
Time Magazine - Religion: American Malvern - March 16. 1942
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These are the high spots of organized U.S. Protestantism’s super-protestant new program for a just and durable peace after World War II:
>Ultimately, “a world government of delegated powers.”
>Complete abandonment of U.S. isolationism.
>Strong immediate limitations on national sovereignty.
>International control of all armies & navies.
> “A universal system of money … so planned as to prevent inflation and deflation.”
> Worldwide freedom of immigration.
> Progressive elimination of all tariff and quota restrictions on world trade.
> “Autonomy for all subject and colo nial peoples” (with much better treatment for Negroes in the U.S.).
> “No punitive reparations, no humiliating decrees of war guilt, no arbitrary dismemberment of nations.”
> A “democratically controlled” international bank “to make development capital available in all parts of the world without the predatory and imperialistic aftermath so characteristic of large-scale private and governmental loans.”
This program was adopted last week by 375 appointed representatives of 30-odd denominations called together at Ohio Wesleyan University by the Federal Council of Churches. Every local Protestant church in the country will now be urged to get behind the program. “As Christian citizens,” its sponsors affirmed, “we must seek to translate our beliefs into practical realities and to create a public opinion which will insure that the United States shall play its full and essential part in the creation of a moral way of international living.”
Among the 375 delegates who drafted the program were 15 bishops of five denominations, seven seminary heads (including Yale, Chicago, Princeton, Colgate-Rochester), eight college and university presidents (including Princeton’s Harold W. Dodds), practically all the ranking officials of the Federal Council and a group of well-known laymen, including John R. Mott, Irving Fisher and Harvey S. Firestone Jr. “Intellectually,” said Methodist Bishop Ivan Lee Holt of Texas, “this is the most distinguished American church gathering I have seen in 30 years of conference-going.”
The meeting showed its temper early by passing a set of 13 “requisite principles for peace” submitted by Chairman John Foster Dulles and his inter-church Commission to Study the Bases of a Just and Durable Peace. These principles, far from putting all the onus on Germany or Japan, bade the U.S. give thought to the short sighted selfishness of its own policies after World War I, declared that the U.S. would have to turn over a new leaf if the world is to enjoy lasting peace. Excerpts:
Posted on 2/15/25 at 8:01 am to OBReb6
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> For at least a generation we have held preponderant economic power in the world, and with it the capacity to influence decisively the shaping of world events. It should be a matter of shame and humiliation to us that actually the influences shaping the world have largely been irresponsible forces. Our own positive influence has been impaired because of concentration on self and on our short-range material gains. … If the future is to be other than a repetition of the past, the U.S. must accept the responsibility for constructive action commensurate with its power and opportunity.”
> “The natural wealth of the world is not evenly distributed. Accordingly the possession of such natural resources … is a trust to be discharged in the general interest. This calls for more than an offer to sell to all on equal terms. Such an offer may be a futile gesture unless those in need can, through the selling of their own goods and services, acquire the means of buying.”
With these principles accepted, the conference split up into four groups to study, respectively, the social, economic and political problems of the post-war world and the problem of the church’s own position in that world.* Discussion waxed hot & heavy, with one notable silence: in a week when the Japs were taking Java, discussion of the war itself was practically taboo. Reason: The Federal Council felt that, since five of its other commissions are directly connected with the war effort, the conference’s concern should be with plans for peace. One war statement -“the Christian Church as such is not at war” -was proposed by Editor Charles Clayton Morrison, of the influential and isolationist-before-Pearl-Harbor Christian Century. This statement was actually inserted in a subcommittee report by a 64-58 vote after a sharp debate. In the plenary session, however, it was ruled out of order.
Some of the conference’s economic opinions were almost as sensational as the extreme internationalism of its political program. It held that “a new order of economic life is both imminent and imperative” -a new order that is sure to come either “through voluntary cooperation within the framework of democracy or through explosive political revolution.” Without condemning the profit motive as such, it denounced various defects in the profit system for breeding war, demagogues and dictators, “mass unemployment, widespread dispossession from homes and farms, destitution, lack of opportunity for youth and of security for old age.” Instead, “the church must demand economic arrangements measured by human welfare . . . must appeal to the Christian motive of human service as paramount to personal gain or governmental coercion.”
“Collectivism is coming, whether we like it or not,” the delegates were told by no less a churchman than England’s Dr. William Paton, co-secretary of the World Council of Churches, but the conference did not veer as far to the left as its definitely pinko British counterpart, the now famous Malvern Conference (TIME, Jan. 20, 1941). It did, however, back up Labor’s demand for an increasing share in industrial management. It echoed Labor’s shibboleth that the denial of collective bargaining “reduces labor to a commodity.” It urged taxation designed “to the end that our wealth may be more equitably distributed. “It urged experimentation with government and cooperative ownership.
“Every individual,” the conference declared, “has the right to full-time educational opportunities … to economic security in retirement … to adequate health service [and an] obligation to work in some socially necessary service.”
The conference statement on the political bases of a just and durable peace proclaimed that the first post-war duty of the church “will be the achievement of a just peace settlement with due regard to the welfare of all the nations, the vanquished, the overrun and the victors alike.” In contrast to the blockade of Germany after World War I, it called for immediate provision of food and other essentials after the war for every country needing them. “We must get back,” explained Methodist Bishop Francis J. McConnell, “to a stable material prosperity not only to strengthen men’s bodies but to strengthen their souls.”
Politically, the conference’s most important assertion was that many duties now performed by local and national governments “can now be effectively carried out only by international authority.” Individual nations, it declared, must give up their armed forces “except for preservation of domestic order” and allow the world to be policed by an international army & navy. This League-of-Nations-with-teeth would also have “the power of final judgment in controversies between nations . . the regulation of international trade and population movements among nations.”
The ultimate goal: “a duly constituted world government of delegated powers: an international legislative body, an international court with adequate jurisdiction, international-administrative bodies with necessary powers, and adequate international police forces and provision for enforcing its worldwide economic authority.”
*Despite their zeal for world political, social and economic unity, the churchmen were less drastic when it came to themselves. They were frank enough to admit that their own lack of unity was no shining example to the secular world, but did no more than call for “a new era of interdenominational cooperation in which the claims of cooperative effort should be placed, so far as possible, before denominational prestige.”
Posted on 2/15/25 at 8:40 am to OBReb6
the societies of our world are in no way near ready to have this kind of "Star Trek" future, especially with the musliums.
Posted on 2/15/25 at 8:56 am to OBReb6
That's the Federal Council of Churches which was literally a communist front organization ran by the Kremlin. One of its chief committee members was Harry Ward, a pastor who was personal friends with Lenin. Ward later went on to be a founding member of the ACLU (and its first chairman) but was kicked out after everyone pressured the ACLU to remove communists in the 1940's.
After years of being investigated by the FBI and Congress, the FCC changed its name to the National Council of Churches which itself remained a communist front group and an habitual apologist for the Soviets and Cubans.
The NCC is still around but has seen its influence vastly diminish in recent decades because of its far-left stances. If you go to its website, you will see nothing but trans propaganda.
After years of being investigated by the FBI and Congress, the FCC changed its name to the National Council of Churches which itself remained a communist front group and an habitual apologist for the Soviets and Cubans.
The NCC is still around but has seen its influence vastly diminish in recent decades because of its far-left stances. If you go to its website, you will see nothing but trans propaganda.
Posted on 2/15/25 at 8:56 am to OBReb6
I didn't know Time was still in business.
Posted on 2/15/25 at 9:01 am to OBReb6
It’s all “MAN” the created beings by the One True God.
Isaiah 55: 8-9
8 For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the Lord.
9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.
Psalm2: 4
He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision.
Isaiah 55: 8-9
8 For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the Lord.
9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.
Psalm2: 4
He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision.
Posted on 2/15/25 at 9:09 am to OBReb6
quote:Like my ADHD / ADD won't let me read it.
How does this Time Magazine article make you feel?
Posted on 2/15/25 at 9:15 am to AUstar
quote:
That's the Federal Council of Churches which was literally a communist front organization ran by the Kremlin. One of its chief committee members was Harry Ward, a pastor who was personal friends with Lenin. Ward later went on to be a founding member of the ACLU (and its first chairman) but was kicked out after everyone pressured the ACLU to remove communists in the 1940's.
After years of being investigated by the FBI and Congress, the FCC changed its name to the National Council of Churches which itself remained a communist front group and an habitual apologist for the Soviets and Cubans.
The NCC is still around but has seen its influence vastly diminish in recent decades because of its far-left stances. If you go to its website, you will see nothing but trans propaganda.
Do you have any links to some source material? I don’t doubt you, I’d like to read it
Posted on 2/15/25 at 9:24 am to OBReb6
What is up with all the religion/church spam lately?
Religion is a banned topic here.
Nobody gives a shite about your religion/church bullshite.
MAGA is gonna butt frick you and your your kid diddling pals no matter how many threads you start to distract people from real issues.
Maybe we could just get 1 bottom pinned church thread for all you weirdos to rage and circle jerk in?
Religion is a banned topic here.
Nobody gives a shite about your religion/church bullshite.
MAGA is gonna butt frick you and your your kid diddling pals no matter how many threads you start to distract people from real issues.
Maybe we could just get 1 bottom pinned church thread for all you weirdos to rage and circle jerk in?
Posted on 2/15/25 at 9:24 am to OBReb6
Sounds like a bunch of liberals got together to support one another in their man-made social gospel that revolves around Marxist philosophy rather than true application of God’s holy, infallible, and inspired word.
That’s a shame.
That’s a shame.
Posted on 2/15/25 at 9:25 am to OBReb6
And why the frick are you spamming the board with a thread about an 83 year old magazine?
Jesus
fricking
Christ

Jesus
fricking
Christ

Posted on 2/15/25 at 9:28 am to Hodag
quote:
What is up with all the religion/church spam lately?
Religion is a banned topic here.
Nobody gives a shite about your religion/church bullshite.
MAGA is gonna butt frick you and your your kid diddling pals no matter how many threads you start to distract people from real issues.
Maybe we could just get 1 bottom pinned church thread for all you weirdos to rage and circle jerk in?
If you take a minute to pause from your incoherent ramblings, you might come the realize that politics and religion are the same thing.
Moreover, it appears our supposed separation of church and state is a myth in it's entirety, and the 80 year crusade of the state was in the name of the radical post protestant unitarian church.
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