Did the Rebecca Lobach scrubbing accomplish anything?

It sure made a lot of people ask WTF is going on here

Two things can be true.

Was the pilot “out of the lane” for lack of a better description? Yes. Whether that was pilot error, instructor error, I doubt we will ever know. Don’t discount there was a more experienced pilot in the bird as well. If the more experienced pilot was familiar with the rules and area I suspect “following the rules” has been ignored for a long time and the odds finally caught up with them.

Did the ATC fail to advise both aircraft there was a collision alert? It seems so. Both aircraft could and should have taken action given the standard procedures each aircraft would have had in place.

So if we are going to ascribe the majority of the blame IMO it should be the ATC.

Now if you want to get into why they are understaffed due to DEI priorities which had pervaded hiring, have at it. As we just got a pointed example of why “the best” is the only criteria for that job.

Hard to see where the American Airlines pilot did anything wrong. He could not hear the response of the chopper since they were on a different frequency. Had he been able to hear, things may have turned out differently. Also, the ATC did not know this was a "training flight." If they had known that fact they probably would have responded differently. The pilot on the video below explained that having 500 hours of flying time is just enough to get the chopper up and down.

He has flown into the same airport and said that the ATC should have never allowed to separate on visual identification. He explained how difficult it is at night to get a visual especially when the aircraft were miles apart and the lights of the surrounding area tends to blend together.

He demonstrated how the angle of the plane and chopper would have created blind spots for both. Also, with the avionics of the chopper the pilot needed to dial in a correct elevation of the airport on the altimeter. He said if the wrong number was dialed in it could explain why the chopper thought they were at 200ft when in fact they were at a higher altitude.
He said there were a series of mistakes made by multiple people. He does believe it will not go well for the ATC. The video is about 30 minutes but he does a good job of explaining how this tragedy probably came about.

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And what is with all the people referring to her as a hero?

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Most of these people are democrats, supporting someone who died while on duty, who was also a lesbian and a staunch liberal.

These are mentally ill liberals, who don't look at the fact that her incompetence killed 60+ innocent people. She is no hero.

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The pilot on the video below explained that having 500 hours of flying time is just enough to get the chopper up and down.

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No shite, she should have been nowhere close to that position, and likely would not have without her connection to the Biden Administration. I'm sure she was a celebrated individual in the Army given her close ties to the Biden Family, and was fast tracked.

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He does believe it will not go well for the ATC.

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I'm sure this will be the narrative of the media, depending on who was working ATC. Again, she was supposedly cleared for landing with visual contact of the jet. Responsibility was transferred to her. A very sad situation that someone that should not have been in that position, was put into it not based upon merit, and many innocent people had to die.

It is kind of hard to blame ATC, when it was clear weather and the chopper pilot acknowledged visual of the jet prior to the crash. When you watch it, I don't see any way the chopper pilot could not see the jet as she came from a steep angle to hit the side of the jet.

One last thing...everyone is defending the parents over scrubbing everything on social media to prevent backlash. It won't stop the backlash, at all. But, it may hide other details, which was most likely the intent. It was them trying to hide a bad picture.

In a video I cited earlier, a pilot said how difficult it was for a chopper some miles away to visualize one plane at night in a congested area with all the surrounding lights. A plane flies with its nose slightly tilted upwards while the chopper flies with its nose titled slightly downward. He said the front panel of the chopper with nose of the craft pointed downward would have prevented the pilots of the chopper from seeing the plane above them.

He said the chopper pilots were probably looking at runway 1 and not 33. The aircrafts' combined speeds was approximately 280. The ATC should not have assumed that the chopper's visualization was correct. That assumption got a lot of people killed. Had the ATC known that it was a training flight and the pilot had only 500 hrs. of flying time he probably would have reacted differently.

The instruction to go behind the jet was a nebulous statement because the chopper did not know where the plane actually was located. Someone should have been tracking the flights on radar and seen they they were on a collision course. The chopper should have been told to descend and turn immediately to avoid an impact. One question should be answered and that is whether the ATC was a DEI hire.

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She is no hero.

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It’s perplexing to me why anyone would call her that.

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again, you have no idea what you are talking about in your attempt to defend the Pilot

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I’m not trying to defend the pilot. I’m pointing out there are two factors in this, which seems to be getting overlooked.

Both the pilot and the ATC are at fault. The ATC however is the one in control of the situation.

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You have no idea what VFR conditions are, and who the responsibility goes to when ATC clears you to land while pointing out traffic

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The commercial craft is following instructions, and apparently has no idea there’s a potential conflict. Not that he could likely see it either. Whether the plane has been turned over to the tower or not is a moot point.

And you might want to think about what you just said about who is giving instructions here. It’s the ATC.

The pilot fails by giving the impression they see the airliner, an instruction that IMO is insane given the situation. The visual on the ATC screen clearly has two aircraft on a converging course. 200 feet of altitude separation on the screen is nothing especially considering the plane is descending to land.

The copter pilot also fails because they are too high. Now (as his link points out) is it an altimeter problem, did the instructor advise them to fly at that height, did they do it on their own?

I’m asking questions we may get answers to when the black box data comes out.

As of now the primary fault is the ATC. I am not absolving the copter pilot as there is plenty of blame to throw on the helicopter, however you’re leaving out the instructor who is also a contributing factor.

First I’ve heard she was a lesbian.