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IRA distribution
Posted on 1/24/25 at 8:32 pm
Posted on 1/24/25 at 8:32 pm
My father got a letter from Vanguard today saying he has to take a distribution of $6700 from his IRA because he’s turning 73 this year. I know he will have to pay taxes on it, but where should he put that money?
Posted on 1/24/25 at 8:40 pm to tigger4ever
RMA kicking in? The amount will go up every year and he’ll get penalties if he doesn’t follow the rules. If he doesn’t need it pay the taxes on it and put it in a brokerage account or rainy day fund.
Posted on 1/24/25 at 8:42 pm to tigger4ever
It will happen every year going forward. If he does not need it to live on, see if he will give it to you, your siblings or his grandchildren.
Posted on 1/24/25 at 8:53 pm to tigger4ever
Couple of thoughts -
If he doesn’t need it he can have taxes withheld and put it into an individual/joint investment account for the future.
He can use it for gifting to family if so inclined (529s included)
If he donates to charities change the donations to being qualified charitable donations (QCD) from his IRA which count as part of his required minimum distribution and especially if uses the standard deduction provide a much bigger tax benefit. Any amount that’s QCD would now no longer be included in taxable income.
If he doesn’t need it he can have taxes withheld and put it into an individual/joint investment account for the future.
He can use it for gifting to family if so inclined (529s included)
If he donates to charities change the donations to being qualified charitable donations (QCD) from his IRA which count as part of his required minimum distribution and especially if uses the standard deduction provide a much bigger tax benefit. Any amount that’s QCD would now no longer be included in taxable income.
Posted on 1/24/25 at 9:04 pm to tigger4ever
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My father got a letter from Vanguard today saying he has to take a distribution of $6700 from his IRA because he’s turning 73 this year. I know he will have to pay taxes on it, but where should he put that money?
If I were him, I would temporarily take the RMD distribution (amount after withholding taxes) and deposit it into a High Yield Savings Account (HYSA). Once the funds are available in the HYSA, I would use them to fund his Roth IRA. The current max amount he can contribute to a Roth IRA is $8000.00 since he is over 50 years old.
Posted on 1/24/25 at 9:12 pm to 98eagle
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If I were him, I would temporarily take the RMD distribution (amount after withholding taxes) and deposit it into a High Yield Savings Account (HYSA). Once the funds are available in the HYSA, I would use them to fund his Roth IRA. The current max amount he can contribute to a Roth IRA is $8000.00 since he is over 50 years old.
He needs to have earned income to do this.
He can do a Roth conversion without earned income, but you ca t convert your RMD
Posted on 1/24/25 at 9:20 pm to 98eagle
Will they hold the taxes out before sending amount to him?
Posted on 1/24/25 at 11:10 pm to tigger4ever
He should instruct them to withhold a certain amount.
Posted on 1/25/25 at 7:27 am to tigger4ever
How would we know where he should put the $ without you giving any info about his financial situation, needs or desires?
Be aware the RMDs are going to increase every year as his life expectancy declines unless his account balance drops significantly. Thus, depending on his current and future tax situation it may be worth considering increased withdrawals or Roth conversions now. For instance, if he is in a low tax bracket now and married it might be sensible to withdraw extra to avoid widow trap when one spouse passes.
But you provided none of that context so who knows.
Be aware the RMDs are going to increase every year as his life expectancy declines unless his account balance drops significantly. Thus, depending on his current and future tax situation it may be worth considering increased withdrawals or Roth conversions now. For instance, if he is in a low tax bracket now and married it might be sensible to withdraw extra to avoid widow trap when one spouse passes.
But you provided none of that context so who knows.
This post was edited on 1/25/25 at 7:27 am
Posted on 1/25/25 at 8:51 am to TorchtheFlyingTiger
He’s married, they receive his social security, his pension from his company he retired from, mom receives teacher retirement. This is money he rolled over from company 401k and mom rolled over her DROP money in Vanguard too. He’s going to be 73 in September and mom is 64. No debt. They live comfortably on their monthly retirement checks.
Posted on 1/25/25 at 9:14 am to tigger4ever
Sounds like they can accept some market risk and invest it in something like index ETFs. Taxable brokerage would be useful if they dont plan to spend it because heirs get stepped up basis upon death. Might also want to consider Roth conversions if they're not already in a high tax bracket (again so heirs and surviving spouse dont get hammered w higher tax rate then they'd pay today)
Likely want to look close at optimizing for surviving spouse, especially if pension continues after death. It's likely that wife out lives him and will find herself in higher single bracket as a widow with several income streams.
Might be crass to suggest reading "Die with Zero" to a 73 year old. But the concept that spending the $ now while he can see/enjoy the effect on himself and others is worth discussion. A relatively small $ now might make big impact for younger family members. Or encourage them to spend on their own desires while they still can enjoy and make lasting memories etc.
Likely want to look close at optimizing for surviving spouse, especially if pension continues after death. It's likely that wife out lives him and will find herself in higher single bracket as a widow with several income streams.
Might be crass to suggest reading "Die with Zero" to a 73 year old. But the concept that spending the $ now while he can see/enjoy the effect on himself and others is worth discussion. A relatively small $ now might make big impact for younger family members. Or encourage them to spend on their own desires while they still can enjoy and make lasting memories etc.
This post was edited on 1/25/25 at 9:20 am
Posted on 1/27/25 at 10:46 am to TorchtheFlyingTiger
Yes, they saved all their lives to have enough to retire on. Now that they’re retired they just have money sitting in accounts. They have enough from pensions that they don’t have to touch it. I think a lot of people do that and the kids that don’t have that mentality end up with it.
This post was edited on 1/27/25 at 10:54 am
Posted on 1/27/25 at 12:45 pm to tigger4ever
If they're super conservative at this point they take the RMD (they don't have a choice or they pay penalties) and move it to a HYSA. Or buy ETFs which would be my choice.
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