Can we get an H-1B scoreboard?

I’ve been on this board for a while now.

For the first time in my many, many years here, I don’t understand what is happening.

It’s one of the oddest events I’ve witnessed.

We just went through 4 years of Biden where 8M people entered the country illegally with nothing, seeking government housing, support, etc.

And yet people are melting in bizarre rants over h1b visas that are capped at 65K a year and bring in legal skilled labor.

I find it utterly bizarre.

Wait until the real fun starts.

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this once great board

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Where?

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And yet people are melting in bizarre rants over h1b visas that are capped at 65K a year and bring in legal skilled labor.

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Because thats not what happens at all

Crazy how you believe that 100% fake statistic yet probably don't believe the government in terms of how many illegals come in through the southern border

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For the first time in my many, many years here, I don’t understand what is happening.

It’s one of the oddest events I’ve witnessed.

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This is a proverbial "chickens coming home to roost" scenario for MAGA/AF/Trumpism. The tent is to big with too many conflicting principles being associated with it and lost of clandestine pathology. Sprinkle in the whole "we don't really define words or our principles" and it becomes a Choose Your Own Adventure scenario.

What you're witnessing are 2-3 different factions of MAGA/AF who have an entirely different understanding of what MAGA/AF mean, at their most basic level.

One of the biggest structural issues is the leftist economics of MAGA/AF and how the movement tried to include Labor under the tent. Originally that was lower-level labor (who were thwarted economically by vague institutional reasons), which involved a good bit of perceived oversight by the perceived betters of the movement (poor ole baws can't help themselves because of the globalists, so we'll fight for them). Now this labor movement is including educated, professional types in the upper middle class (who identify as "Middle class", clearly). They want their share of the labor pie, too.

When those who aren't on the Labor side are like "well we want to make profits", you get literal DEM/Leftist rhetoric about "corporatism" or "Big coroprations" or "greedy corporations".

The other issue is those "Takin er jebs" are non-white, so that whole hidden white supremacist aspect of MAGA/AF is showing itself again.

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We just went through 4 years of Biden where 8M people entered the country illegally with nothing, seeking government housing, support, etc.

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The avatar of MAGA/AF as this "Anti-DEM" party is another faction, but it's falling to the wayside in real time, because people are pushing for policies right out of the Bernie/Warren pro-labor, greedy corporation playbook.

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And yet people are melting in bizarre rants over h1b visas that are capped at 65K a year and bring in legal skilled labor.

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The emotionality and irrationality that's baked into the movement is being turned on people within the movement. Y'all are seeing what I've been dealing with for 8 years. Lots of newbies to political discourse who have been taught the proper discourse is anger and melting and lots of people who are on their 4th political movement in 20 years who feel like they are being left behind because they refuse to pick a home.

This is going to keep happening with more and more policies due to the nature of the conflicting and esoteric values/principles of MAGA/AF.

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I don’t understand what is happening.

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My understanding of it is this...

TLDR version: H1B is not good for the country and almost none of it appears necessary. People know they are getting lied to and they don't like it. This board is an extreme outlier when it comes to defending Trump.

H1B is a fraud. People don't like fraud.
H1B is propped up with lies. People don't like being lied to.
H1B is not good for our country. Most people dislike that.
H1B is producing insular networks where a given foreign group only looks out for that particular foreign group, and when foreigners in your country are doing that, it rubs people the wrong way.
H1B is producing a lot of demands and entitlement and very little gratitude or respect and that rubs people the wrong way.
H1B is something Trump rightly said was a problem before and now he wants more foreign workers and has even promised green cards (far more important than a visa) just for getting a diploma in junior college. His base agreed with him then and disagrees with him now, it's just this board that is an outlier because this board will defend him no matter what. There is no corner of the internet that disregards Trump errors, mistakes, lies, or flips like this board. Nothing comes close. There are millions of Trump supporters and this board has about 100 of them. Nothing here is representative when it comes to evaluations of Trump.
H1B arguments are turning to insults of America and Americans and people naturally hit back when that happens, especially when those arguments come from people that are foreign born.
H1B is not good for this country. It's good for billionaires. Trump promised to put America first and to shun the influence of big money and he's gone in the opposite direction. People know when they're getting conned and Trump has done just that.
H1B is under attack and in response people like Trump and Musk and some others are trotting out the "reform" narrative, as if anything in DC is ever reformed. This is exactly the same as when the FBI goes to Congress and tells us how important FISA is and makes excuses for their transgressions and promises reform and reform never happens, and the conduct of FISA just gets worse. This is a con, everyone knows it's a con, and it's insulting that Trump, Musk and others think people are so stupid that they can't see through this.

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I have no problem with more H1B visa’s being granted as long as those people get here legally.

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Same. It's the millions of low skilled "asylum" seekers, literal terrorists, dog eaters and Fentanyl precursors pouring into the country I'm concerned about.

This H1B thing is a huge red herring to distract and divide MAGA.

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This H1B thing is a huge red herring to distract and divide MAGA.

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It's not that. It's a purity test for various MAGA factions.

This is being created, spread, and responded to by MAGA.

SFP, Potus2024, and TarheelPete all with good explanations from different angles. I guess I'm mostly caught up.