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New fines for "feigned injuries"

Posted on 11/1/24 at 6:59 pm
Posted by leylee
Member since Oct 2018
256 posts
Posted on 11/1/24 at 6:59 pm
Sankey issues warning to coaches

"Moving forward, I will consider a feigned injury to have been determined when the National Coordinator states it is more likely than not that a feigned injury occurred, that a player attempted a feigned injury, or any other general statement from the National Coordinator establishing the probability that a feigned injury has occurred."

The penalties for being caught faking an injury include the following.

The first offense will see the head coach receive a public reprimand, along with a $50,000 fine. The second offense will be fined $100,000. If a school is caught doing this a third time, the head coach will be suspended for the next game.
Posted by lostinbr
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2017
12637 posts
Posted on 11/1/24 at 7:08 pm to
Bout time.

I think there will still be scenarios where it’s unclear, but this should at least cut down on the most egregious fake injuries.
Posted by Tiger1988
Houston
Member since May 2016
29626 posts
Posted on 11/1/24 at 7:16 pm to
It is really easier than that. If a player causes stoppage in play due to an injury, they must sit out the remainder of the series. If it is a second stoppage by the same team in the series, that player sits the rest of the 1/2.

That’ll stop that shite.
Posted by lostinbr
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2017
12637 posts
Posted on 11/1/24 at 7:27 pm to
quote:

It is really easier than that. If a player causes stoppage in play due to an injury, they must sit out the remainder of the series. If it is a second stoppage by the same team in the series, that player sits the rest of the 1/2.

I agree with the idea of players having to sit for some amount of time after an injury timeout, but I imagine a fine for coaches is much easier to implement mid-season than actually changing the rules. Particularly when we are talking about a rule change that will probably be somewhat controversial.
Posted by Tiger1988
Houston
Member since May 2016
29626 posts
Posted on 11/1/24 at 7:45 pm to
The problem with my idea will be multiple frivolous lawsuits because coaches will “force me to play or encourage me” and when college is over, I’m suing.
Posted by cartig
Member since Feb 2010
3500 posts
Posted on 11/1/24 at 7:48 pm to
This soccer style crap has got to stop .
Posted by Hold That Tiger 10
Member since Oct 2013
24701 posts
Posted on 11/1/24 at 8:08 pm to
quote:

If a player causes stoppage in play due to an injury, they must sit out the remainder of the series


There have been plenty of instances where a QB has been shaken up and is able to come back after a play or two (or a time out is used for them to come back immediately). You don't want Nuss having to sit out an entire series because of this rule. And a series can be 3, or 15 plays. A fine for coaches, with a suspension for repeated violations will do just fine.
This post was edited on 11/1/24 at 8:09 pm
Posted by BilbeauTBaggins
probably stuck in traffic
Member since May 2021
7655 posts
Posted on 11/1/24 at 8:12 pm to
Coaches will gladly pay $50k for extra timeouts
Posted by Hold That Tiger 10
Member since Oct 2013
24701 posts
Posted on 11/1/24 at 8:17 pm to
quote:

Coaches will gladly pay $50k for extra timeouts


Did you read it? It's 50k, 100k then a suspension.

No coach is getting suspended for a game to fake an injury.
Posted by Lsutigerturner
Member since Dec 2016
7168 posts
Posted on 11/1/24 at 8:21 pm to
I think a series or at minimum 4 plays straight for stoppage of play make sense. Fining coaches will never work and will cause lawsuits. Just make it if stoppage happens and injury timeout is required then the player has to come out and make it for his own safety.
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
78218 posts
Posted on 11/1/24 at 8:24 pm to
who is the national coordinator?

Posted by lostinbr
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2017
12637 posts
Posted on 11/1/24 at 8:31 pm to
quote:

who is the national coordinator?

Steve Shaw
Posted by Tiger1988
Houston
Member since May 2016
29626 posts
Posted on 11/1/24 at 8:32 pm to
quote:

There have been plenty of instances where a QB has been shaken up and is able to come back after a play or two (or a time out is used for them to come back immediately).

I don’t know if I’ve ever seen an offensive player do it, but some number of plays (not just 1), is something that would help curtail it.
Posted by nitwit
Member since Oct 2007
13059 posts
Posted on 11/1/24 at 8:34 pm to
The New National Coordinator will be Lane Kiffin.
Posted by Tiger1988
Houston
Member since May 2016
29626 posts
Posted on 11/1/24 at 8:36 pm to
quote:

The New National Coordinator will be Lane Kiffin.
Posted by 6R12
Louisiana
Member since Feb 2005
11508 posts
Posted on 11/1/24 at 8:49 pm to
Damn Kiff will miss a few games every year
Posted by lostinbr
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2017
12637 posts
Posted on 11/1/24 at 8:49 pm to
quote:

I think a series or at minimum 4 plays straight for stoppage of play make sense.

Playing devil’s advocate here, but I think the problem is figuring out how long to make a player sit. If it’s too long, you run into the player safety issue where players are incentivized to play through injury rather than get checked out by a trainer. If it’s too short, you don’t solve the actual problem.

As an example - for most teams (not LSU), a DT sitting out 4 plays is probably not an issue at all. Those guys rotate a ton. So it’s still absolutely worthwhile for a DT to go down if it means the defense gets to sub and gets a breather after a 1st down. Hell, it might actually help their DT rotation since there’s no other way they can substitute while the offense runs tempo.

Meanwhile a quarterback being held out for 4 plays could be the difference between a touchdown and a punt/FG. And the disparity is worse because the QB is the last player you would expect to fake an injury. So it’s a bit of a balancing act.

Fining the coaches won’t do a ton but suspending them after a third offense will. And it allows officials to make the determination based on video review after the fact, when it’s a lot easier to see that a player got the “dive” signal.

I still think a mandatory amount of time on the sideline after injury could work, but I think it’s something that will have to get done during the offseason rather than mid-year. This is a good stop gap in the meantime, if they actually enforce it.
Posted by Puffoluffagus
Savannah, GA
Member since Feb 2009
6443 posts
Posted on 11/1/24 at 8:55 pm to
quote:

I don’t know if I’ve ever seen an offensive player do it,


Jacob hester did it once in the 07 game against Florida when his chin strap messed up. He was on the fg unit and didn't want to have to cause an issue substituting so he faked an injury instead.
Posted by Spankum
Miss-sippi
Member since Jan 2007
60492 posts
Posted on 11/1/24 at 8:56 pm to
I think that is a little excessive. I would rather see some immediate penalty on the field
Posted by lostinbr
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2017
12637 posts
Posted on 11/1/24 at 8:57 pm to
quote:

I don’t know if I’ve ever seen an offensive player do it

I had never seen an offensive player do it, but someone showed a clip of (surprise) an Ole Miss player on offense in one of these threads where it sure as hell looked like he took a dive after getting a signal.

But the real concern if we are all being honest is quarterbacks. If a QB gets his wind knocked out, it kind of sucks to have him stuck on the sidelines.

There’s also the prospect of a layer rolling his ankle, trying to play through it so he doesn’t have to sit out a series/drive, then winding up out for a month with a bad sprain because he didn’t get it taped up by a trainer. That’s going to be the player safety argument.
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