re: Why are so many American people protesting Israel?

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Mo Jeaux

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O.k.,

I didn't think you'd have an answer and you don't.

My answer, if you need to me state something this obvious, is that I'll bet we get a whole lot more useful intel from Israel about Iran and anybody else we're having terrorist problems with at any given moment than we do Iraq or Egypt or Jordan, what you want to bet?

The last attack on Americans on American soil was a terrorist attack instigated by radical Muslims from exactly that region of the world. Who knows how many more we've intercepted and foiled since then, and how knows how many of them have been due to intel provided by Israel?

You want a reason? There's a clearly articulated reason. It's not the only reason, of course, but I'm only willing to spend my time stating so much of the obvious.

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I'm not siding with anyone. Why is everything so black and white for you on this issue?

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Come on. I thought you wanted to have a real discussion about this. You are literally the person who earlier today stated that Palestine was the cooperative party in the two state clash and Israel was the party that was responsible for the fact that they can't agree. Apart from being a patently ridiculous and obviously false statement, it's clearly taking a black and white position. Why are you acting like I'm any more partisan that you in this discussion?

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it's laughable if you think Israel has a stellar record of human rights.

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I'm not sure you understand what I mean by human rights record. I'm talking about the fact that in Palestine you get thrown off a building for being gay. I'm talking about the fact that it is illegal in the Gaza Strip or women to not wear a hijab. I'm talking about the fact that women have few legal rights in Palestine and are still subject in some places to involuntary circumcision (khafd). I'm talking about the fact that citizens have no freedom of assembly or speech. None of that is true of Israel. I'm talking about the fact that the entire international community recognizes these violations of human rights as well as violating international law regarding torture and unlawful killing.

And yes, Israel has been guilty of terrorism and human rights violations in the context of resisting Palestine as well, as I stated in the other thread I referenced earlier. However, an honest assessment of the facts IMO has to come to the conclusion that Palestine has been far worse far more often, at least in the last 60 years, and certainly since Hamas became the governing authority in 1988.

And again... THEY DON'T HATE THE UNITED STATES.

Again, I don't know why I have to state something so obvious, but that's why Israel being a democracy matters. Hamas hates our entire way of life. Israel doesn't.

How does it benefit us to side with Hamas? (Which refusing to support Israel is basically doing).

How is that "America First?"

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I'm telling you that you're wrong about mine.

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Yeah, but you're also telling me you're not taking sides, which is objectively false given your own posting history, and you're not explaining anything about your mindset.

So my mind has yet to be changed.