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re: Florida deputy fatally shot US airman that answered the door with a gun

Posted on 5/10/24 at 8:31 am to
Posted by lostinbr
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2017
9742 posts
Posted on 5/10/24 at 8:31 am to
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the fedex guy does this at my house all the time. I dont' go get a gun. They hear the dog barking and back away from the door and i can't see them.

Does the fedex guy beat on your door like a cop? I said this earlier in the thread, but it’s disconcerting and it’s not like a normal person knocking on the door.
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at 4:30pm? you a drug dealer? or did you recently beat the shite out of somoene or murder someone and you're expecting retaliation? why would that be so sketchy at 430PM that you need to answer the door with a gun?



I didn’t say I would answer the door with a gun at 4:30 PM. I said I would think it was sketchy. I probably wouldn’t open the door at all until I knew who it was, if I’m being honest. Not out of fear so much as annoyance.
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ANd i'm not saying what the cop did was right. I understand why he did what he did, but yes he absolutely could have handled it better and not shot him immediately.

He could have not shot the guy immediately. He also could have announced himself as police the first time he beat on the door. He could have stayed in view after beating on the door instead of hiding off to the side. He could have gone back down to check with the lady who gave him directions when he realized they were conflicting (she told him to go one way, but the apt number she gave him was the other way).

I don’t think opening the door with a gun in his hand was smart by the resident. But I also don’t think that makes it the resident’s fault. The fact that he could have taken steps to avoid being shot doesn’t suddenly make it lawful.

It’s like defensive driving. If someone is tailgating me, I should try to give myself extra stopping distance so I don’t have to slam my brakes. But if I don’t do that and I get rear-ended, it doesn’t absolve the other driver.
Posted by TeddyPadillac
Member since Dec 2010
25990 posts
Posted on 5/10/24 at 8:57 am to
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I said this earlier in the thread, but it’s disconcerting and it’s not like a normal person knocking on the door.



B/c people that are coming to shoot you knock on the door loudly. That's generally how people get murdered, so yeah you should be worried someone is after you when they knock like that at 430PM.

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He could have not shot the guy immediately.


i 100% agree. He should have pointed the gun at him immediately and yelled at him to drop the weapon.

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He also could have announced himself as police the first time he beat on the door.


why does that matter? It's 430PM.
He announced it the next two times b/c he wasn't getting an answer, and probably figured if he says he's the police he'll get an answer, which he did.

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He could have gone back down to check with the lady who gave him directions when he realized they were conflicting (she told him to go one way, but the apt number she gave him was the other way).



He went to the right apartment.

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I don’t think opening the door with a gun in his hand was smart by the resident. But I also don’t think that makes it the resident’s fault. The fact that he could have taken steps to avoid being shot doesn’t suddenly make it lawful.



at no point have i said it was unlawful what he did. i said it was stupid and he deserves some blame for what happened.
Anytime you bring a gun out to any situation, you've now escalated that situation. Any responsible gun owner understands that. It's not a toy, and it's not a device to simply use as a threat. You bring a gun out, you better be ready to use it wisely.
Opening the door at 430PM to a guy announcing to you he's a cop, and then standing there with the gun clearly in your hand isn't smart. Even if it wasn't a cop, it's still stupid to do. legal yes. stupid. yes.
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