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re: Florida deputy fatally shot US airman that answered the door with a gun
Posted on 5/9/24 at 7:07 pm to TigersnJeeps
Posted on 5/9/24 at 7:07 pm to TigersnJeeps
So a few things I noticed watching the video:
- The lady telling the cop where to go doesn’t seem to actually know which apartment it is. First the cop says “which door?” and there’s a pause before the lady says “I’m not sure.” Then he asks her “which room is it?” again when they get to the elevator and she says “1401,” this time sounding confident.
As he’s getting in the elevator she says “you’re gonna go to the 4th floor and it’s gonna be on this side” which seems to mean the side where she’s standing. When the cop gets off the elevator he starts to go right (toward where the lady was standing) but there’s a sign that says 1401 is the other way so he turns around.
I don’t really blame the cop for going to the wrong door in that scenario.
- When the cop knocks on the door he immediately moves to the side of the door, presumably out of view from the peep hole. Not sure if that’s training or what but it definitely happens. So I do tend to believe the part about the airman looking through the peephole and not seeing anyone there.
- After the first knock you clearly hear someone inside saying “police” but the odd part is that it’s before the cop yells “sheriff’s office.” It almost sounds like he’s saying it as a question, as if “is that the police?”
- Right after that, the cop yells “sheriff’s office, open the door” very loudly. It’s hard to imagine that the guy indoors couldn’t hear it when you can hear him mumble the word “police” from inside just before that.
- Cop was real fast on the trigger there. But at the same time, the gun is in the guy’s hand so I can understand why.
I don’t know what to make of any of this. I think there were mistakes by everyone involved including the cop, the resident, and the manager lady.
I would not be shocked if the guy had heard the first knock (with no police announcement), looked and didn’t see anyone, then went to the back of the house to get his gun. Comes back and the cop is yelling “sheriff’s office” so he opens the door and immediately gets shot because he’s holding a gun.
- The lady telling the cop where to go doesn’t seem to actually know which apartment it is. First the cop says “which door?” and there’s a pause before the lady says “I’m not sure.” Then he asks her “which room is it?” again when they get to the elevator and she says “1401,” this time sounding confident.
As he’s getting in the elevator she says “you’re gonna go to the 4th floor and it’s gonna be on this side” which seems to mean the side where she’s standing. When the cop gets off the elevator he starts to go right (toward where the lady was standing) but there’s a sign that says 1401 is the other way so he turns around.
I don’t really blame the cop for going to the wrong door in that scenario.
- When the cop knocks on the door he immediately moves to the side of the door, presumably out of view from the peep hole. Not sure if that’s training or what but it definitely happens. So I do tend to believe the part about the airman looking through the peephole and not seeing anyone there.
- After the first knock you clearly hear someone inside saying “police” but the odd part is that it’s before the cop yells “sheriff’s office.” It almost sounds like he’s saying it as a question, as if “is that the police?”
- Right after that, the cop yells “sheriff’s office, open the door” very loudly. It’s hard to imagine that the guy indoors couldn’t hear it when you can hear him mumble the word “police” from inside just before that.
- Cop was real fast on the trigger there. But at the same time, the gun is in the guy’s hand so I can understand why.
I don’t know what to make of any of this. I think there were mistakes by everyone involved including the cop, the resident, and the manager lady.
I would not be shocked if the guy had heard the first knock (with no police announcement), looked and didn’t see anyone, then went to the back of the house to get his gun. Comes back and the cop is yelling “sheriff’s office” so he opens the door and immediately gets shot because he’s holding a gun.
This post was edited on 5/9/24 at 7:09 pm
Posted on 5/9/24 at 8:13 pm to lostinbr
One thing I didn't really catch on the first view is how visible is the officer from the peephole. He appears to be in front of it briefly then moves to the side to varying degrees - always moving.
I don't know what SOP is when knocking on a door in this situation but I would think they would want to be visible to a certain degree - but that can make them vulnerable to someone shooting through the door...
I don't know what SOP is when knocking on a door in this situation but I would think they would want to be visible to a certain degree - but that can make them vulnerable to someone shooting through the door...
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