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Yeah you aren’t talking me into a deal where Bi and Herb go out for Allen and Murray and I think it’s a good trade. BI is worth more than Murray, regardless of how much all of you hate him and think he’s worthless, and Herb is worth more than Allen.

I think your valuations are way off, favoring the Pels too much.

1. BI may have more value than Murray, if you don't factor in future salaries at all. I'd argue it's almost negligible once you factor in salary and BI's next extension

2. Allen has more trade value than Herb. That's it, not much more to say. It's not terribly close either

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That doesn’t make up the fact that we traded away the two best players for me.

We'd be trading the 1st and 4th best players for the 2nd and 3rd best players but also getting back the better pick.

I'm not arguing you have to love the deal or even want the deal, but it's not that far off.

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Herb doesn’t go out under any circumstance.

He does if it can improve the team. Again, that may be where folks or you may not like a deal, but the idea that a high level role player is untouchable is way too much here.

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Posted by TeddyPadillac

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Posted on 5/6/24 at 9:53 am to shel311

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2. Allen has more trade value than Herb. That's it, not much more to say. It's not terribly close either

I disagree. and i don't think it's close.
We have a top 5 defender in the league that shoots 40% from 3 and shoots 85% from the FT line in the clutch making $13M for the next 3 years.

What Herb does, is way more important than what Allen does. What Allen does is done by guys making less than half of what he does. I"m not trying to say Jarrett Allen isn't good. He's a good center. He also doesn't fit what we need next to Zion.
All y'all do is bitch about wanting to shoot more 3's. Inserting Jarrett Allen into the starting lineup will make it even more difficult to shoot more 3's, and will still give Zion the same exact problem he's had here for 5 fricking years with a clogged up lane where a 7 footer is always waiting for him.

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He does if it can improve the team. Again, that may be where folks or you may not like a deal, but the idea that a high level role player is untouchable is way too much here.

The problem is this doesn't improve our team, and that's why i'm staunchly against that trade.
I would absolutely include Herb and BI in a trade if it brought a guy back that made us better. Murray and Allen don't fit that criteria for me. Literally every team in the league would want and start Herb, except for the Celtics. Every other team would remove a current starter to start Herb.

Send BI and Herb out, i want Booker or Steph back.

I"m ok with BI going out for Murray, even though i think BI is the better player. I"m not ok with Herb going out for Allen. There are plenty of other options to get Allen, as well as other options to get someone that can do what he does.....OR WE COULD FIND A frickING CENTER THAT CAN SHOOT 3'S.

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