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re: An hour long video with Thomas Massie

Posted on 5/3/24 at 8:54 am to
Posted by POTUS2024
Member since Nov 2022
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Posted on 5/3/24 at 8:54 am to
Part 2 of 2
- Massie mentions the Tik Tok ban, which was sponsored by Gallagher from WI, that left Congress and hurt his own party. Gallagher got a job with Palantir who depends on DHS for tens of millions in contracts and Gallagher was one of just a few Republicans that did not vote to impeach Mayorkas, the Secretary of DHS.

- The TikTok ban was thrown into the foreign aid bill and Johnson said it was done to make people like Massie and MTG happy but they weren't supporters of the idea. It was all a ruse. The TikTok ban was / is a trojan horse because it allows the President to shut down websites if he just asserts they are in some way affiliated with a foreign adversarial power.

Again, all the veterans stuff stripped out of the bill, foreign aid, tik tok ban etc put in, and then passed. Because it bounced around, the ability for individuals to slow it or throttle it disappeared. Betrayal #3.

- Massie said that the Rules Committee is how the Speaker and the majority party keep mob rule from taking over every day. The majority has strong numbers on the rules committee (something like a 9-4 advantage) and it's always been that way and that's how the Speaker is able to exert a lot of control. If any 3 people object to a rule then it can't get through the committee (my comment I assume he means any 3 in the majority). Massie, Chip Roy, Ralph Norman go to Johnson and object to the rules being structured so that the foreign aid bill (formerly a veterans bill and now with no veterans stuff within) can get through.

- Johnson then teams up with Democrats to override these objections in the rules committee and then teams up with them again on the floor vote. The result is that a Republican Speaker is now teamed up with Democrats to determine which bills come to the floor, which amendments will be considered, how much time for debate, and so forth. So, no matter who writes the bill, the control rests with the people that control the rules and the procedure.

- Massie says we are now in a 'shared power structure' in the House.

- Massie addresses Jeffries saying that Democrats will vote to table the motion to vacate. Why? Because Democrats got everything they wanted.

- Massie says a moment seared in his brain was Johnson stopping warrants for FISA, then the moment that Democrats broke out with Ukraine flags and chants and cheers after the foreign aid bill passed.

- Massie filmed the Ukraine flag demonstration by Democrats. Then the Sergeant at Arms called and told him that if he didn't take that down they would fine him $500. In response Massie re-posted the video. He has not taken it down. Then Johnson said they had decided not to fine Massie.

- On the Motion to Vacate, MTG is looking to accumulate sponsors for it, similar to what was done when John Boehner was Speaker and a Motion to Vacate was put into the hopper then as well. This is like serving notice to the Speaker and asking him to resign. Massie said Johnson is now agreeing to form a coalition with Democrats and Jeffries in order to cling to power. When Beohner saw the increasing co-sponsors, he agreed to resign after a given time. Johnson is forming a coalition with Dems. (my comment: this situation with Johnson is worse than we thought, he has effectively gone to the other side)

- Massie does not believe that Democrats will rally for Johnson in totality, as it would be pretty bad for them, in front of their voters, to say they backed a Republican.

- Massie asks: will Trump throw a lifeline to Johnson, now that Johnson is in a coalition with Jeffries?

- Host points out that in a tight election the House becomes very important. (referring to electoral tie breaker, my comment - the House may also get involved if a 3rd candidate arises and gets votes and no one gets to 270, iirc). If there's a tie, the Congress is seated first, so the new Congress with a new Speaker may decide who the President will be.

- Massie says people come after him about the Motion to Vacate and say it will create chaos and turn things over to Democrats, but Massie counters with "that's what we already have".

- To close the host asks Massie if he'll commit to reading the 6 lessons (lectures) from Mises. Massie says if he can get it on tape. Says he is currently listening to The Bitcoin Standard and the host says that all the 'bitcoiners' get their history/origin of money from founder of the Austrian school, Carl Menger.

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This post was edited on 5/3/24 at 9:03 am
Posted by NC_Tigah
Carolinas
Member since Sep 2003
124698 posts
Posted on 5/3/24 at 9:09 am to
The

GOP

has

a

5 vote majority

in the House.

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What is it about that FACT that Massie doesn't get?

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Does he think removing Johnson this session will improve things?

The solution is adding 20-30 conservative seats next session.
THEN make a change if necessary.

They removed McCarthy, then had a near clusterf*ck trying to install a new speaker. Twice in a session implies a total incapacity to govern.

The latter guarantees a Democrat House next term.
Is that Massie's goal, because it surely appears to be.
Posted by KiwiHead
Auckland, NZ
Member since Jul 2014
28084 posts
Posted on 5/3/24 at 11:24 am to
No way,stop. You guys that cheered on Gaetz and the removal of McCarthy and thought that a true conservative like Johnson was great. You expected him to go in and do nothing until he got marching orders . Then it goes off the rails, he realizes that he had to govern....the last thing ANY of you wanted. Figures it might be a good idea to prop up Ukraine at least until the Fall ( a collapse would not be good for either Biden or Trump) . You were mad about the omnibus and not shutting down the government not realizing he might be trying to save seats that could otherwise go blue.

This is actually funny as shite.
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