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re: When was the last time you recall the Saints having THIS big a hole at a position group?

Posted on 4/25/24 at 9:47 am to
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 4/25/24 at 9:47 am to
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It’s a culmination of bad picks(Penning, Ruiz to an extent)

Bad picks happen at roughly the same rate across the board.

You counter that by accumulating as many picks as you can. Over time, that volume produces better rosters.

So while this isn't in the cap doesn't exist bro strategy directly, it is in the same tomorrow doesn't matter overall strategy our team has.

No team is amazing at identifying talent in the draft. This is a myth that egotistical Pro Player/GM guys sell themselves. You get good at drafting by having a lot of picks.

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and bad luck(Ram).

His issues were known and were a major reason why we had the opportunity to draft him so late.
Posted by DBG
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Posted on 4/25/24 at 9:51 am to
I’m talking specifically about Penning though, not the aggregate. If we had taken Tyler Smith instead, you can still hate the trade but we’d be in a significantly better position on field wise.

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His issues were known and were a major reason why we had the opportunity to draft him so late.


He had a hip injury, not a degenerative knee.
Posted by Alt26
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Posted on 4/25/24 at 10:36 am to
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Bad picks happen at roughly the same rate across the board.

You counter that by accumulating as many picks as you can. Over time, that volume produces better rosters.

So while this isn't in the cap doesn't exist bro strategy directly, it is in the same tomorrow doesn't matter overall strategy our team has.

No team is amazing at identifying talent in the draft. This is a myth that egotistical Pro Player/GM guys sell themselves. You get good at drafting by having a lot of picks.


It's not like the Saints haven't addressed the OL in prior drafts. In fact, they've taken at least one OL in each of the last 5 drafts. On three occasions with either their first or second pick that year. Juxtapose that with the 2013 - 2018 drafts where the Saints only took two OL (Peat and Ramczyk)

The problem has been that they missed BIG on their previous two first round OL picks (Ruiz and Penning). It's one thing if a guy doesn't quite work out as well as you expected but still contributes (like Peat). It's another when one guy (Ruiz) is one of the worst in the league and the other (Penning) evidently isn't even good enough to play in a backup role. Combine that with the somewhat unexpected news that one player (Hurst) is retiring and another (Ramcyzk) is likely to do the same, and everything has fallen apart almost all at once.

Now, it would be nice to have some money to offset that in free agency (which the Saints rarely have) or a re-do on the Penning pick. But more than that, the Saints probably need to adjust their scouting priorities. Notably, not falling in love with largely unheralded guys at the Senior Bowl.
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