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re: Tucker Carlson has divided conservative social media with his take on the atomic bomb
Posted on 4/22/24 at 1:20 pm to Liberator
Posted on 4/22/24 at 1:20 pm to Liberator
quote:quote:Wait a minute; WHOSE "analyses" are those "21,300,000" figures??
Okinawa (pop. 500K) saw 150K civilian deaths. i.e., Nearly 1/3rd of the population.
Okinawa-level deaths, suicides, etc. would have resulted in 21,300,000 civilian deaths,
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Okinawa saw a 30% level of civilian deaths during the US campaign.
You follow?
If Japanese civilian deaths somehow only amounted to 1/3rd of that, you'd still be talking >7M dead. That's >20x the number of Hiroshima/Nagasaki deaths. It's equivalent to total Holocaust numbers for the entire war.
The A-Bomb stopped that. 7M Japanese, who would otherwise have died, probably reckoned that to be more humane.
Posted on 4/22/24 at 2:15 pm to NC_Tigah
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The A-Bomb stopped that. 7M Japanese, who would otherwise have died, probably reckoned that to be more humane.
One other thing to consider. There were millions of Japanese troops stationed in China and Indo-China still fighting an aggressive war. There would have been more miltary and civilian deaths in those areas.
Posted on 4/22/24 at 2:39 pm to NC_Tigah
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Okinawa saw a 30% level of civilian deaths during the US campaign.
You follow?
If Japanese civilian deaths somehow only amounted to 1/3rd of that, you'd still be talking >7M dead. That's >20x the number of Hiroshima/Nagasaki deaths. It's equivalent to total Holocaust numbers for the entire war.
I just don't subscribe to what I consider a faulty premise.
The unique case of WW2's Okinawa slaughter (center of a desperate All Or Nothing Battle for the island with its citizens in the middle) should not be conflated with Japanese mainland reaction.
The breakdown of reasons for this statistically un-godly percentage of deaths at Okinawa : Japanese Occupation and US committed to taking the island by whatever means necessary ( the natives as usual, all 500,000 of them were EXPENDABLE). The US even assigned a special code name to it: Operation Iceberg.
The Japs were already dug in and loaded for bear on Okinawa (and island they Occupied before the US while The US invasion with it's massive armada and expeditionary force also came loaded for bear. So guess who got it in the shorts from both ends? Native Okinawans.
So besides getting shelled, shot, slaughters and brutalized by the brunt of the American forces, they also were conscripted by the Japs AND subject to forced suiciding from fear and panic by their own.
Most people will laugh, but some (including myself) regard Okinawa as a Ritual Blood Sacrifice. (US generals were sloppy and reckless in the Pacific regarding ANY life -- as in the case at Iwo.
BOTTOM LINE:
Okinawa was a special case and in no way should its high % of deaths and casualties ever factor into any statistical correlation (21,000,000 deaths) that the US War Command claimed would be projected in defense of any Japanese Mainland invasion. These numbers seem obviously contrived only to help justify dropping the two A-Bombs on helpless citizens.
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