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re: Would you support government or Christian’s in the United States?
Posted on 4/23/24 at 1:53 pm to Prodigal Son
Posted on 4/23/24 at 1:53 pm to Prodigal Son
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Do you consider yourself to be open minded?
Yes
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Unbiased?
Probably. Less than most. But see response above.
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that every time an opposing view is expressed- you automatically assume the person is ignorant or intentionally misleading?
It’s natural. You do the exact same thing.
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your worldview being false?
No
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Again , what does each of us, with opposing worldviews, stand to lose if one of us is wrong?
What is Pascal chose the wrong bet? What is Mormonism is the correct one?
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I do, however, agree that he baited Dawkins into a confession- that he is not opposed to intelligent design; he is opposed to God being the Designer
He has shown ID, on planet earth, to be false. He is not and cannot outright reject the possibility of an intelligence seeding life. Totally different. Ben is conflating the origin of life to evolution, which is misleading. I believe it’s intentional. It doesn’t change that on planet earth, all known life is related genetically. We all share a common ancestor.
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Sure it is. Natural selection and adaptation are- but universal common descent is not observable and repeatable. It is assumed.
You really should read one of Dawkins books.
quote:quote:How can you possibly know that?
Even if life started by a “god”, it still couldn’t have been from any of the many deities described in the Hebrew or Christian scriptures,
Because the entire book, written and redacted by hundreds of scribes, maybe thousands, is riddled with errors, contradictions, and scientific falsehoods. Do we really have to get into the firmament like a solid cast metal mirror, the sun standing still, the windows of heaven, the stars falling out of the sky, flat earth on pillars, positive evidence of a global flood never happening, sickness caused by demonic possession instead of germs, etc.? Come on, man.
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Again, how could you possibly know that?
When most of our DNA is junk, and every morphological feature is a documented gradual bastardization of an existing feature, and since we can document how and why changes happen naturally, and there’s no evidence of an intelligence guiding anything, and there’s evidence against intelligent design because if there was intelligence it would’ve been done a lot better, and there’s no evidence of a god period, then that is my conclusion.
Posted on 4/23/24 at 6:04 pm to Squirrelmeister
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Probably. Less than most. But see response above.
This is demonstrably false. You subscribe to the ideology of methodological naturalism (which is a requirement for, and the foundation of, Darwinian evolution); which, by definition, means that you are inherently biased towards the absolute necessity of a materialistic explanation of any/all known phenomena. By definition, your worldview, precludes the existence of anything immaterial.
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You do the exact same thing.
Not exactly.
Similarities: We both truly believe that our positions are firmly grounded in truth, and most accurately reflect reality as we see it. We are both very passionate about our beliefs. We both are willing to expend a significant amount of time and energy towards the goal of change- because we both care enough about the world around us to make the effort. Neither of us (I’d like to think) sees any benefit in intentional deception.
Differences (besides the obvious): I’m willing to admit my bias, and, I’m willing to admit that I can’t prove my position beyond a reasonable doubt. In my view, there is no benefit to mockery (other than the occasional joke to take the edge off). I’m willing to read, understand, and engage with everything you have to say. I don’t think that you are delusional, or intellectually challenged, for adhering to your beliefs.
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What is Pascal chose the wrong bet? What is Mormonism is the correct one?
Again with the deflection. What’s the matter? If you truly believe that there is no God, and Christianity is false- why not just say “If I'm wrong, I’m going to Hell.” ??? Interesting. If you want to compare and contrast the validity and sensibility of other religions with Christianity- I’m down like a clown Charlie Brown. I could use the study.
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He has shown ID, on planet earth, to be false
Meh. Lots of really smart people beg to differ. The only thing he’s proven, beyond doubt, is that he thinks he’s smarter than the God that he claims doesn’t exist.
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He is not and cannot outright reject the possibility of an intelligence seeding life
Right. Only that it can’t possibly be the Christian God. Aliens though- totally a viable option.
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Totally different
No doubt. One comes with a set of standards and requirements that he (and you) are unwilling to accept, and the other is just a really neat and unthreatening fantasy.
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Ben is conflating the origin of life to evolution, which is misleading.
No. Like you said, he baited Dawkins. Dawkins can hardly contain his excitement at the thought of some other explanation for the origin of life that is not God.
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It doesn’t change that on planet earth, all known life is related genetically. We all share a common ancestor.
Or, we share a common Creator.
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You really should read one of Dawkins books.
Meh. I’ve read enough of his articles, and watched enough of his videos/debates, to know that he is to Darwin what Ahab was to Moby Dick.
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Because the entire book, written and redacted by hundreds of scribes, maybe thousands, is riddled with errors, contradictions, and scientific falsehoods. Do we really have to get into the firmament like a solid cast metal mirror, the sun standing still, the windows of heaven, the stars falling out of the sky, flat earth on pillars, positive evidence of a global flood never happening, sickness caused by demonic possession instead of germs, etc.? Come on, man.
One at a time. Please. There are logical, plausible explanations for any and all apparent contradictions/errors. I’d like to see this positive evidence that disproves the flood though.
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When most of our DNA is junk
Let’s go through some examples. A lot of work has been done recently to refute this claim.
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and every morphological feature is a documented gradual bastardization of an existing feature, and since we can document how and why changes happen naturally,
Tell me more. Be specific. Cite sources.
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and there’s no evidence of an intelligence guiding anything
Again, lots of very smart people beg to differ.
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and there’s evidence against intelligent design
How could there be? I thought you couldn’t prove a negative.
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because if there was intelligence it would’ve been done a lot better
Says who? How do you know it wasn’t originally perfect, and is now (and has been) exhibiting the effects and consequences of The Fall?
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and there’s no evidence of a god period
Define evidence.
This post was edited on 4/23/24 at 6:17 pm
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