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re: Would you support government or Christian’s in the United States?

Posted on 4/17/24 at 5:17 pm to
Posted by Prodigal Son
Member since May 2023
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Posted on 4/17/24 at 5:17 pm to
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Objective morality does not exist.

Is that statement objectively true? Or, is that just like, your opinion, man?

Before we get to objective morality, let’s first establish whether or not truth is objective or subjective. Since you like to use terminology as a means to evade arguments, I’ll provide you with dictionary definitions of the applicable terms.

Truth: (noun)

- the true or actual state of a matter:
He tried to find out the truth.

- conformity with fact or reality; verity:
the truth of a statement.

- a verified or indisputable fact, proposition, principle, or the like:
mathematical truths.

- the state or character of being true.

- actuality or actual existence.

- an obvious or accepted fact; truism; platitude.

- (often initial capital letter)
ideal or fundamental reality apart from and transcending perceived experience:
the basic truths of life.

- agreement with a standard or original.
accuracy, as of position or adjustment.


Objective: (adjective)
- not influenced by personal feelings, interpretations, or prejudice; based on facts; unbiased:

- being the object of perception or thought; belonging to the object of thought rather than to the thinking subject (opposed to subjective).

- of or relating to something that can be known, or to something that is an object or a part of an object; existing independent of thought or an observer as part of reality.

Morality: (noun)
- conformity to the rules of right conduct; moral or virtuous conduct.

- moral quality or character.

- virtue in sexual matters; chastity.

- a doctrine or system of morals.

- moral instruction; a moral lesson, precept, discourse, or utterance.


Do you agree with these standard definitions? If not, please explain. I’ll proceed as though you do. Let’s disregard the religious implications, and just focus on the logic, rationality, and the day to day consequences of a life ruled by subjective standards of truth and morality.

Is truth objective or subjective? I’m not talking about opinions or preferences. I’m talking about facts. Does truth exist independently of perception? Is it created? Or discovered? Does the truth change? If so, how can you know that you know the truth? There is no better modern example of this than gender identity. Is a man, pretending to be a woman, in truth, a woman?



Why do we have laws? What are they based on? If objective morality does not exist, then under what subjective circumstances is it morally acceptable to rape an infant? According to whom or what? If the Nazis would have won the war, would their actions then be morally right? When good and faithful husband’s wife commits adultery (or vice versa), does it not always negatively impact their marriage and children? When someone steals from you, do you not say that they “ought” not have done so?

The truth is, that we live in a world that is governed by an objective baseline of truth and morality; a system that works so well, that it overcomes the inefficiency of those who do not abide by it, and affords you the freedom to reject it. I’d love to hear your case for subjective truth and morality.
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
73212 posts
Posted on 4/17/24 at 5:48 pm to
quote:

Is that statement objectively true?


No one has contradicted it yet, including you.
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