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re: Would you support government or Christian’s in the United States?

Posted on 4/17/24 at 8:38 am to
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 4/17/24 at 8:38 am to
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But your opinion about what you think the Bible says isn’t an opinion, but rather a fact, because your interpretation is the only legitimate interpretation
I don't believe the Bible is open to any interpretation that anyone wants to place upon it. Just because people disagree on what it says in various places doesn't mean there isn't a singular intent that God, through the human author, intended to convey. The entire point of biblical hermeneutics is to understand how to properly interpret the Bible according to it's true and objective meaning, not according to our own opinions.

Contrary to what you might think, I don't believe that my opinion is what determines truth. I seek to align my interpretation with the truth that exists outside of myself. There have been nearly 2,000 years of godly men who have sought to understand the Scriptures and I am nothing special in and of myself.

But this sad point of yours aside, you have again missed the point I was making. The NTS fallacy is fallacious precisely because the person making it isn't attempting to use any sort of objective standard for what constitutes a "Scotsman", but is using his own preferences to say that someone or something doesn't belong.

What I'm saying is that there are certain characteristics that determine what a "Christian" is from the Bible, and when Christians use the Bible to determine if a person is or is not a Christian based on those characteristics, those Christians are not making some sort of arbitrary judgement, which is at the heart of the NTS fallacy. Whether all Christians agree on every point of interpretation in the Bible is irrelevant to whether or not the NTS fallacy is being employed.

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Folks like Catholics and Jehovah’s Witnesses therefore aren’t Christians, right?
I don't believe Catholic or Jehovah's Witness "churches" are truly Christian in the final analysis because both of them deny the gospel of Jesus Christ (salvation comes by grace alone, through faith alone, in Jesus Christ alone), but that doesn't mean there aren't Catholics or Jehovah's Witnesses that reject or are entirely ignorant of the false gospels held to by Rome and the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society. I have to differentiate between "Catholics" and "the Roman Catholic church" for this very reason, as I believe there are many Catholics who are saved in spite of what the church they adhere to teaches. I imagine there may be some JW's that are in the same boat. My condemnation is of the leaders in those sects and their official teachings.
This post was edited on 4/17/24 at 11:01 am
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
73196 posts
Posted on 4/17/24 at 8:40 am to
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The entire point of biblical hermeneutics is to understand how to properly interpret the Bible according to it's true and objective meaning, not according to our own opinions.


...and how do we do that?

Posted by Champagne
Already Conquered USA.
Member since Oct 2007
48621 posts
Posted on 4/17/24 at 6:12 pm to
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I don't believe Catholic or Jehovah's Witness "churches" are truly Christian in the final analysis because both of them deny the gospel of Jesus Christ (salvation comes by grace alone, through faith alone, in Jesus Christ alone)


All of my fellow Roman Catholics, please take heed of Foo's Christian Doctrine here. It is shared by MANY of his fellow Protestants - the believe that Catholics are NOT Christians.

Thank you, Foo, for clarifying this issue for us all.

By the way, Foo, do you still believe that the Universe is roughly Six Thousand years old?
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