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re: Would you support government or Christian’s in the United States?
Posted on 4/17/24 at 7:14 am to Squirrelmeister
Posted on 4/17/24 at 7:14 am to Squirrelmeister
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Morality is determined by cultural and social norms
Then slavery can be moral.
Posted on 4/17/24 at 7:15 am to TrueTiger
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Then slavery can be moral.
Indeed. If there is no objective morality, nothing is objectively wrong.
Slavery, Racism, Murder, Rape. Just depends on your culture.
Posted on 4/17/24 at 8:57 am to TrueTiger
quote:quote:Then slavery can be moral.
Morality is determined by cultural and social norms
Sure, such is the case in many African countries to this day. It was moral in ancient Israel which is reflected in Old Testament and the New Testament. If you were to claim the Bible is objective truth, then you would absolutely support the morality of the institution of slavery.
Abraham had slaves. So did Isaac, Jacob, Moses, all the messiahs of the Old Testament etc. And they had sex with those slaves, as according to modern definitions that would be rape.
Ephesians 6:5
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Slaves, be obedient to those who are your masters according to the flesh, with fear and trembling, in the sincerity of your heart, as to Christ;
Colossians 3:12
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Slaves, obey those who are your human masters in everything, not with eye-service, as people-pleasers, but with sincerity of heart, fearing the Lord.
So Paul and his disciples didn’t come out and say slaves should be freed. They said the opposite. Slaves obey your masters. It’s quite simple.
What about Jesus though? Now, I personally do not believe a flesh and blood Jesus ever existed on earth nor healed the sick nor walked on water nor flipped over the money changers table. If you believe the gospels though, you’d have to conclude that Jesus endorsed the Mosaic law of the Old Testament including laws permitting and governing slavery.
Matthew 5
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17“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished.
In reality (I know not many people in this forum like to deal with it) the scribe who wrote this was rebuking Paul, who rebuked the Mosaic Law. Here though, “Jesus” is rebuking Paul and is endorsing the Mosaic Law. (How’s that for objectivity and univocality?). That law includes endorsing slavery, and requires circumcision, and abstaining from eating shellfish or wearing a shirt made of mixed fibers.
Based on modern moral relativism and applying basic humanistic ethics, the action of holding another human hostage for the purposes of forced labor or rape does not promote the wellbeing of the object of the slavery, therefore slavery is immoral.
For a Christian to claim slavery is immoral is to reject Christian scripture and borrow morality from humanists while falsely claiming it as their own.
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