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FISA is expanding.

Posted on 4/15/24 at 6:13 pm
Posted by POTUS2024
Member since Nov 2022
15100 posts
Posted on 4/15/24 at 6:13 pm
@LizaGoitein on X recently put out two tweet streams about FISA. She is solid on this topic.

The most recent is 25 tweets, posted earlier today and the other is 14 tweets, posted when the House voted to renew FISA.

FISA is expanding. We have been betrayed. She lays it out in these tweets. Remember this when you once again wish to make excuses, or when Trump makes excuses, for Speaker Johnson, who has done a complete 180 on constitutional issues since becoming Speaker.

Example: An amendment passed that will force businesses to let the NSA into their wifi networks, so when you use the wifi at Best Buy or something, the NSA will have all of that, and everything it allows them to tunnel into.

And as I've said many times, don't look for the judiciary to help us. The FISA Court already gave the govt permission to keep doing FISA for an entire year even if the renewal expires this April.

Discussing problems in the FISA Renewal just passed by the House, which now goes to the Senate. Everything below, except the underlined part, is hers.

URGENT: Please read thread below. We have just days to convince the Senate NOT to pass a “terrifying” law (@RonWyden) that will force U.S. businesses to serve as NSA spies. CALL YOUR SENATOR NOW using this call tool (click below or call 202-899-8938). 1/25

Buried in the Section 702 reauthorization bill (RISAA) passed by the House on Friday is the biggest expansion of domestic surveillance since the Patriot Act. Senator Wyden calls this power “terrifying,” and he’s right. 2/25

I’ll explain how this new power works. Under current law, the government can compel “electronic communications service providers” that have direct access to communications to assist the NSA in conducting Section 702 surveillance. 3/25

In practice, that means companies like Verizon and Google must turn over the communications of the targets of Section 702 surveillance. (The targets must be foreigners overseas, although the communications can—and do—include communications with Americans.) 4/25

Through a seemingly innocuous change to the definition of “electronic communications surveillance provider,” an amendment offered by House intel committee (HPSCI) leaders and passed by the House vastly expands the universe of entities that can be compelled to assist the NSA. 5/25

If the bill becomes law, any company or individual that provides ANY service whatsoever may be forced to assist in NSA surveillance, as long as they have access to equipment on which communications are transmitted or stored—such as routers, servers, cell towers, etc. 6/25

That sweeps in an enormous range of U.S. businesses that provide wifi to their customers and therefore have access to equipment on which communications transit. Barber shops, laundromats, fitness centers, hardware stores, dentist’s offices… the list goes on and on. 7/25

It also includes commercial landlords that rent out the office space where tens of millions of Americans go to work every day—offices of journalists, lawyers, nonprofits, financial advisors, health care providers, and more. 8/25

When the amendment was first unveiled, one of the FISA Court amici took the highly unusual step of sounding a public alarm. Civil liberties advocates noted that the provision would encompass hotels, libraries, and coffee shops. 9/25

The version HPSCI leaders offered Friday therefore exempts… hotels, library shops, and coffee shops, plus a handful of other establishments. But as the FISA Court amicus promptly pointed out, the vast majority of U.S. businesses remain fair game. 10/25

The amendment even extends to service providers who come into our homes. House cleaners, plumbers, people performing repairs, and IT services providers have access to laptops and routers inside our homes and could be forced to serve as surrogate spies. 11/25

None of these people or businesses would be allowed to tell anyone about the assistance they were compelled to provide. They would be under a gag order, and they would face heavy penalties if they failed to comply with it. 12/25

That’s not even the worst part. Unlike Google and Verizon, most of these businesses and individuals lack the ability to isolate and turn over a target’s communications. So they would be required to give the NSA access to the equipment itself… 13/25

…or to use techniques or devices (presumably provided by the NSA) to copy and turn over entire communications streams and/or repositories of stored communications, which would inevitably include vast quantities of wholly domestic communications. 14/25

The NSA, having wholesale access to domestic communications on an unprecedented scale, would then be on the “honor system” to pull out and retain only the communications of approved foreign targets. (Let that sink in.) 15/25

HPSCI leaders deny that the administration has any intent to use this provision so broadly. Supposedly, there is a single type of service provider that the government wants to rope in. But they didn’t want anyone to know what that service provider was… 16/25

…so they hid the real goal by writing the amendment as broadly and vaguely as possible. But no worries, Americans! The administration isn’t actually going to USE all the power it just persuaded the House to give it. 17/25

I cannot overstate how mindblowingly irresponsible that is. I don’t think *any* administration should be trusted with an Orwellian power like this one. But even if *this* administration doesn’t plan to make full use of it… (Go ahead and fill in the blank.) 18/25

There are certain powers a government should not have in a democracy. The ability to force ordinary businesses and individuals to serve as surrogate spies is one of them. Even if the targets are supposed to be foreigners, a power this sweeping WILL be abused. 19/25

By the way, when a privacy advocate tried to get
@jahimes
to engage on this issue, here is the thoughtful and conscientious reply given by the ranking member of HPSCI, a man who clearly cares deeply about civil liberties. 20/25

(Jim Himes

@jahimes

You do that. But life is really too short to engage with people who need to use bombastic absurdities like “Stasi-like”. Yes I know exactly what is in there. Some of it is classified. And none of it is remotely “Stasi-like”. Sell your nonsense elsewhere.)

The Senate MUST stop this train before it is too late. The Senate is scheduled to vote on the House-passed bill this week. If there’s an opportunity to remove this provision, senators should remove it. If not, they should vote against the bill. 21/25

The White House will tell senators they have no choice other than to pass the House bill, because Section 702 expires on April 19, and trying to fix the House bill—or pass different legislation—would take too long. But the April 19 deadline exists only on paper. 22/25

The administration has already obtained FISA Court approval to continue Section 702 surveillance until April 2025. According to the administration itself, that approval “grandfathers” surveillance for a full year, even if Section 702 expires. 23/25

A notional deadline is no reason to create a surveillance state. The Senate must take the time to get this right. It’s not just our civil liberties that are at stake—it’s our democracy.
@SenatorBennet
@SenatorBooker
@SenSherrodBrown
@SenLaphonza
@SenatorCantwell
… 24/25

...
@SenatorCardin
@SenCoonsOffice
@SenFettermanPA
@SenatorHick
@SenatorLujan
@ChrisMurphyCT
@PattyMurray
@SenOssoff
@SenAlexPadilla
@SenJackyRosen
@SenBrianSchatz
@SenTinaSmith
@SenStabenow
@SenatorWarnock
@SenPeterWelch
25/25

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Posted by POTUS2024
Member since Nov 2022
15100 posts
Posted on 4/15/24 at 6:13 pm to


Discussing passage of FiSA renewal a few days ago.

I’m sad—and frankly baffled—to report that the House voted today to reward the government’s widespread abuses of Section 702 by massively expanding the government’s powers to conduct warrantless surveillance. 1/14

The amendment to require the gov’t to obtain a warrant to search Section 702 data for Americans’ communications failed by an achingly close vote of 212-212, following some truly shameless misrepresentations about the amendment from
@MikeTurnerOH
, the White House, & others. 2/14

Opponents branded the notion that the government should need a warrant to read Americans’ communications—the core of the Fourth Amendment and the guiding principle for searching Americans’ private correspondence for more than 200 years—as “extreme.” 3/14

Members whom I previously considered to be civil liberties champions (they know who they are) inexplicably abandoned the principles they have espoused in the past and voted to leave Americans vulnerable to continuing surveillance abuses. 4/14

Check out this list of how members voted. If your representative voted the wrong way, don’t be quiet about it. Look up their office phone number (it’s easy), give them a call, and let them know how you feel about their disregard of your rights. 5/14 LINK

That’s bad enough. But the House also voted for the amendment many of us have been calling “Patriot Act 2.0.” This will force ordinary American businesses that provide wifi to their customers to give the NSA access to their wifi equipment to conduct 702 surveillance. 6/14

I’m not kidding. The bill actually does that. If you have any doubts, read this post by a FISA Court amicus, who took the unusual step of going public to voice his concerns. Too bad members of the House didn’t listen. 7/14

Next time you pull out your phone and start sending messages in a laundromat… or a barber shop… or in the office building where you work… just know that the NSA might very well have access to those communications. 8/14

And that’s not all. The House also passed an amendment authorizing completely suspcionless searches for the communications of non-U.S. persons seeking permission to travel to the U.S., even if the multiple vetting mechanisms already in place reveal no cause for concern. 9/14

In addition to people seeking to work, study, or travel in the U.S., this could affect large numbers of visa holders who are longtime U.S. residents but still need permission to re-enter the U.S. when returning from travel overseas. 10/14

The only purpose this provision serves is to signal to people overseas who are seeking permission to enter this country, as well as people who are here on visas the United States has issued, that they are not welcome. (Oh... and to spy on them.) 11/14

There are more bad things in this bill—a needless expansion of the definition of “foreign intelligence,” provisions that weaken the role of amici in FISA Court proceedings, special treatment for members of Congress—but it would take too many tweets to cover them all. 12/14

The Senate should not pass this bill. The government already obtained approval from the FISA Court to conduct Section 702 surveillance until April 25. According to the administration, that approval will stay in place even if Section 702 lapses. 13/14

That means there is NO RUSH. It’s critical that Congress get this right. The House got it massively, egregiously wrong. It must be fixed in the Senate, however long it takes. Please call your senators and urge them not to pass this disgraceful bill. 14/14
Posted by Tandemjay
Member since Jun 2022
3135 posts
Posted on 4/15/24 at 6:43 pm to
This is what China does and Russia dreams of doing.

Stop voting GOPe.
Posted by gmac8604
Green Bay, WI
Member since Jun 2012
1162 posts
Posted on 4/15/24 at 6:45 pm to
It’d be something if we could all roll back the dial to the 1980s, kick our smart phones to the curb, and live life back then.
Posted by Damone
FoCo
Member since Aug 2016
32966 posts
Posted on 4/15/24 at 7:05 pm to
Really glad Trump signed the FISA extension!
Posted by TTOWN RONMON
Member since Oct 2023
779 posts
Posted on 4/15/24 at 7:28 pm to
Maybe Trump is planning to use this on his opponents when he wins. Here is the problem, these judges will not allow Liberals to be targeted. mark my words. The Judges are a part of this, they should all be placed in jail
Posted by loogaroo
Welsh
Member since Dec 2005
33227 posts
Posted on 4/15/24 at 7:40 pm to
Thanks Johnson.
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
58336 posts
Posted on 4/15/24 at 8:34 pm to
quote:

FISA is expanding. We have been betrayed.
Have we? Damn near every congress slimeball that voted for it will be re-elected.
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
58336 posts
Posted on 4/15/24 at 8:38 pm to
quote:

The amendment even extends to service providers who come into our homes. House cleaners, plumbers, people performing repairs
We had a president impeached and resign for this.
Posted by cadillacattack
the ATL
Member since May 2020
5341 posts
Posted on 4/16/24 at 8:32 am to
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This post was edited on 4/16/24 at 8:51 am
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