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re: 'Joker: Folie a Deux' Official Trailer #1
Posted on 4/10/24 at 7:21 am to SouthEasternKaiju
Posted on 4/10/24 at 7:21 am to SouthEasternKaiju
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Easy to dunk on this but I'm willing to give it a chance.
I was very critical of the casting, but I'll give it a shot. What made the first one so successful to me was that for the first time on screen that I can remember, you were immediately faced with the reality that the Joker is a legit mentally-ill individual who just happens to go on a crime spree.
The best villains toe that line of being 49% relatable, and I think Phillips did an outstanding job of communicating Arthur's illness and just how fed up with the world he was.
I'm definitely in the camp of folks who think that much of this happens in either or both of their heads, and if it turns out that HQ is the abuser in the relationship, (at least at first) then that wouldn't shock me in the least.
Posted on 4/10/24 at 7:31 am to VoxDawg
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Joker is a legit mentally-ill individual who just happens to go on a crime spree.
The best villains toe that line of being 49% relatable, and I think Phillips did an outstanding job of communicating Arthur's illness and just how fed up with the world he was
I don't agree that they made Joker very relatable here, as it was a bit too dark for a lot of people to relate to. It did make him interesting, just not relatable to most.
My issues with the first film are
1) This Joker is old as shite for an origin story. Some argue he didn't need an origin, I could go either way if done right but this is not done right.
2) Old and nothing alludes to him being capable of hatching brilliant plans. Even if he got letters and ideas from fans and such, nothing suggests he could put it together. At this age, this stage of loser, and going to Arkham, nothing is going to change him to being a criminal mastermind
I don't hate the idea of the first or even this film if it wasn't named Joker. I'm even a little intrigued to see what Gaga can do with the character and even the "musical" aspect can be done right by good director/writers. But none of that adds up to being tied to Batman/Joker.
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