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re: Marques Brownlee explains the Apple Antitrust lawsuit

Posted on 4/9/24 at 10:52 am to
Posted by Fat Batman
Gotham City, NJ
Member since Oct 2019
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Posted on 4/9/24 at 10:52 am to
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That's just it, the government wants them to build their own version of messaging that is compatible with what Google is doing. The carriers, who should be doing this job, not Google or Apple, aren't doing shite and don't care to do shite here. You said carrier before, they are doing f**k all and in some cases just throwing up their hands and saying f**k it, Google can do it.


RCS, i believe was put together by 3GPP and is backed by GSMA and OMA as the industry supported successor to SMS/MMS. I said carriers because it conveys the same thing, the industry supports the move to RCS. Sure, Google is really the only one doing anything with RCS currently, but that is more because they are the only ones that had to since apple already hijacked native messaging with iMessage. Google doesn't own RCS, they own Jibe which is currently the only RCS on android. Anyone can create an RCS implementation, for instance Apple will. And Google has already committed to opening up an API for 3rd party apps once Jibe reaches a more stable state. I don't view it as much as the government saying you have to integrate with what Google is doing as much as the government saying you have to support the new industry successor to SMS/MMS. They already built iMessage to support "what google (and everyone else) was doing" when it was just SMS/MMS. This is just bringing universal compatibility back in sync. I could careless who owns the metal, carriers or Google or Apple or anyone else who's integration you choose to use, and would argue Google taking over pushed RCS further than the carriers would have. Now Apple is coming along and wants to add encryption to the Universal Profile (look at that, already spurring some innovation) which pushes the RCS protocol even further. I don't think there is anything wrong with owning discrete RCS integrations as they would all work together, which is the whole point of all of this. None of this would be happening if Apple wasn't exhibiting exclusionary behavior.
Posted by Dam Guide
Member since Sep 2005
15579 posts
Posted on 4/9/24 at 11:26 am to
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I said carriers because it conveys the same thing, the industry supports the move to RCS.


It doesn't convey the same thing because the carriers aren't doing anything. They actively don't really care much about messaging once you go to RCS. It doesn't really impact them in the same way SMS/MMS did. Google and consumers want RCS more than anyone.

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Google doesn't own RCS, they own Jibe


I swear it's like you forgot our whole other conversation where I brought a lot of the shite you are talking about now up in the first place... No shite....

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Google taking over pushed RCS further than the carriers would have.


Correct, it is basically Google's iMessage like I previously stated. RCS would still be on the backburner and more people would have switched to Whatsapp or similar messaging like Europe if Google hadn't stepped in. It's basically Google's baby right now. Carriers don't care about this fight, they even lose an easy revenue stream from SMS/MMS if it is deprecated out of existence.

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None of this would be happening if Apple wasn't exhibiting exclusionary behavior.


A lot wouldn't have happened if Apple didn't integrate iChat into their products. Hell if one of the many of failed Google attempts to mimic iMessage had taken off before they gave up and went to RCS is another what if. God knows what we would be using now for communication, that's a much different landscape. The problem is we aren't attacking the people to fix this problem. Right now it's Google vs Apple, it should be government vs carriers. You want to update the regs, push manufacturers to make complaint devices. You do that through carriers. Much easier than some weird arse social stigma antitrust suit. The question I have is why aren't they going this route? Why are we suing Apple over something that could be done under an easy regulation change?
This post was edited on 4/9/24 at 12:12 pm
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