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re: Animal protein and endothelial damage

Posted on 3/18/24 at 3:06 pm to
Posted by Earnest_P
Member since Aug 2021
3644 posts
Posted on 3/18/24 at 3:06 pm to
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but to each their own but tell her to look into studies on pomegranate juice


I did tell her and also suggested Nattokinase. It’s frustrating to see them
abandoning meat while they simultaneously lose muscle mass. They’ll abandon their diet of 70 years for peas and lentils but won’t lift a weight heavier than the remote.

The abstract on that paper has a lot of “may do” this or that. Also, what seems to me to be prevalent in the mainstream narrative on this stuff is a lot of correlation equals causation which is passed off as proof.

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Atherosclerosis associated with high dietary intake of meat, fat, and carbohydrates remains the leading cause of mortality in the US. This condition results from progressive damage to the endothelial cells lining the vascular system, including the heart, leading to endothelial dysfunction. In addition to genetic factors associated with endothelial dysfunction, many dietary and other lifestyle factors, such as tobacco use, high meat and fat intake, and oxidative stress, are implicated in atherogenesis. Polyphenols derived from dietary plant intake have protective effects on vascular endothelial cells, possibly as antioxidants that prevent the oxidation of low-density lipoprotein. Recently, metabolites of L-carnitine, such as trimethylamine-N-oxide, that result from ingestion of red meat have been identified as a potential predictive marker of coronary artery disease (CAD). Metabolism of L-carnitine by the intestinal microbiome is associated with atherosclerosis in omnivores but not in vegetarians, supporting CAD benefits of a plant-based diet. Trimethylamine-N-oxide may cause atherosclerosis via macrophage activation. We suggest that a shift toward a plant-based diet may confer protective effects against atherosclerotic CAD by increasing endothelial protective factors in the circulation while reducing factors that are injurious to endothelial cells.
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
31811 posts
Posted on 3/18/24 at 5:33 pm to
Yep natt is another good one. As is citrus bergmont to help with hdl too
Posted by Oates Mustache
Member since Oct 2011
22384 posts
Posted on 3/21/24 at 3:03 pm to
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Nattokinase


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pomegranate juice


I'm sure I've asked this before, but are these safe to take together?

One thing I noticed while taking Nattokinase along with my low dose lisinopril is that I was very dizzy when waking up. It's the only dietary change I made and when I stopped, the dizziness went away. Just an anecdote to consider.
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