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re: Give teachers a raise....Nah.
Posted on 3/10/24 at 9:58 pm to Cajun Tiger 4
Posted on 3/10/24 at 9:58 pm to Cajun Tiger 4
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I think they are paid pretty well for what they do
Teachers get paid shite. I won't make the argument that they deserve anything more, but they do get paid pretty terribly in most parts of the country. As far as what they do, they are stretched really thin. I can't fathom why anyone would want to be a teacher.
- More and more students forced into larger class sizes. Teaching 30,40 + kids at once is absurd for most topics.
- Parents are increasingly a fricking nightmare.
- Students are increasingly a fricking nightmare.
- Students who never pass a single class just coast through the system so you have high schoolers operating at a grade school level fricking up class for everyone else.
- Illegals being dumped into classrooms who speak no English and have never been in school before fricking up class for everyone.
- Absurd amount of bureaucracy they are forced to navigate in their jobs.
If teaching was like it was 40-50 years ago, it's fair pay. Now they're getting shafted, but since the good people are leaving and blue haired nutjobs are taking the spotlight people have no sympathy for what the group as a whole goes through.
Posted on 3/10/24 at 10:06 pm to Thundercles
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- More and more students forced into larger class sizes. Teaching 30,40 + kids at once is absurd for most topics.
- Parents are increasingly a fricking nightmare.
- Students are increasingly a fricking nightmare.
- Students who never pass a single class just coast through the system so you have high schoolers operating at a grade school level fricking up class for everyone else.
Oh, I wouldn't want to be a teacher either because of the things you listed, but the working conditions are a separate issue IMO.
Here's why: How much would you estimate would be "worth it" to deal with the things you listed?
Personally, anything with fewer than six zeros (not six figures, six ZEROS) would be too little for me.
You might have a different number, but I'll bet it will have one important thing in common with mine: I'll bet it wouldn't be at all feasible to apply across the board.
So what that tells me is that working conditions need to be fixed rather than salaries raised to make it "worth it" to put up with the working conditions.
Posted on 3/10/24 at 10:55 pm to Thundercles
quote:
I can't fathom why anyone would want to be a teacher.
- More and more students forced into larger class sizes. Teaching 30,40 + kids at once is absurd for most topics.
- Parents are increasingly a fricking nightmare.
- Students are increasingly a fricking nightmare.
- Students who never pass a single class just coast through the system so you have high schoolers operating at a grade school level fricking up class for everyone else.
- Illegals being dumped into classrooms who speak no English and have never been in school before fricking up class for everyone.
- Absurd amount of bureaucracy they are forced to navigate in their jobs.
I'll add one more: they aren't respected by many.
There are scores of people like the OP who don't think their job is difficult, but I can't imagine teaching math to 40-50 NBR kids being anything short of a nightmare.
Posted on 3/11/24 at 1:00 pm to Thundercles
quote:This is just for a self contained teaching schedule. Some teachers, my wife included, are on a blocking schedule. She teaches ELA related subjects while her "partner teacher" teaches the Maths and Sciences. The students rotate between classes mid way through the day. So if each homeroom has 30 kids, the teachers deal with 60 kids each day.
More and more students forced into larger class sizes. Teaching 30,40 + kids at once is absurd for most topics.
So you can double the problems associated with this:
quote:
- Parents are increasingly a fricking nightmare.
- Students are increasingly a fricking nightmare.
- Students who never pass a single class just coast through the system so you have high schoolers operating at a grade school level fricking up class for everyone else.
- Illegals being dumped into classrooms who speak no English and have never been in school before fricking up class for everyone.
Posted on 3/12/24 at 6:55 pm to Thundercles
BS. Where today do teachers have 30-40 students in a class?
I’ll wait for your response.
When I was in school, 30-35 was the norm for all classes.
Today it’s 15-25 max. Everywhere.
I’ll wait for your response.
When I was in school, 30-35 was the norm for all classes.
Today it’s 15-25 max. Everywhere.
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