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re: Shogun - Official Series Discussion Thread **Spoilers**

Posted on 4/19/24 at 9:18 am to
Posted by Tiger1242
Member since Jul 2011
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Posted on 4/19/24 at 9:18 am to
Toronaga sure does have a lot of faith that his plan is going to work.

So far he’s sacrificed
- his son
- his best friend
- his most loyal subject

If he loses they all died in vain. Although I suppose if he lost they were all going to kill themselves anyway.

It’s nice that Mariko died saving her friends, I do wonder how they will all avoid being hacked to death in that shed though? Going in there was a pretty fricking awful idea.
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
96204 posts
Posted on 4/19/24 at 9:20 am to
Why do people like Mariko so much? I love the show but she wasn’t exactly an endearing character.

Hiromatsu was fantastic. That was a dude to root for
This post was edited on 4/19/24 at 9:23 am
Posted by joshnorris14
Florida
Member since Jan 2009
45313 posts
Posted on 4/19/24 at 10:21 am to
quote:

So far he’s sacrificed
- his son
- his best friend
- his most loyal subject


Toronaga didn't sacrifice his son.

1. It wasn't Toranaga's idea to assassinate his brother, that was Toranaga's son and Yabashige's nephews plan.

2. It almost worked but the son is kind of a dip shite. Certainly wasn't a planned death like the other two
Posted by CharlieTiger
ATL
Member since Jun 2014
778 posts
Posted on 4/19/24 at 10:50 am to
quote:

If he loses they all died in vain. Although I suppose if he lost they were all going to kill themselves anyway.


That's the point. They went out on their own accord. If it didn't work, they were gonna get killed anyway. If it does work, they'll be remembered as heroes to the cause.

Death to them is just part of the process and if they can control how they go out, even better in their mind.
This post was edited on 4/19/24 at 11:18 am
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