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re: Savings Plan for Children - 529 vs. Other Options
Posted on 2/29/24 at 5:20 pm to thunderbird1100
Posted on 2/29/24 at 5:20 pm to thunderbird1100
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This will go way up over time
Maybe. It’s not indexed to inflation in the legislation though, so I wouldn’t bank on it.
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And its definitely not "minimal" tax savings when you're talking about huge growth money being taken out tax free to pay for educational expenses. Using my example, over $60k of the over $100k is growth. I can take that $60k growth out completely tax free to pay for school. If that money was sitting in a brokerage account even if it was ALL long term capital gains $60k taxed at 15% is $9k in federal tax. Thats a gigantic amount of tax savings. This doesnt even include the state tax I'm saving every year which after 18 years amounts to another $2,500 as well. Thats well in excess of 11 grand of tax money I dont have to pay with it in the 529 instead of just letting it ride in a taxable brokerage account. And in the end if she doesnt go to college we just roll this money into a ROTH IRA year after year for her once shes 18/19 and she'll retire with a nice nestegg as a result just from that
If she doesn’t go to college and that cap doesn’t go up you’re also looking at 10% penalty and ordinary income taxes on up to $60k - if you’re paying 15% LTCGs you’re paying at least 32% in taxes and penalties on that money. Poof, there goes the tax savings by a factor of 1.5x.
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There's also a scholarship clause for 529s where the penalty is waved for cashing it out if the school is paid for via scholarship.
But income taxes still apply. 22%+ there too using your CG bracket.
To each their own, but it’s not the no brainer you may think it is for many people, at least not under current tax laws. If you’re saving enough in a 529 to completely pay for college, you’re either going to save a lot in taxes or get slapped with taxes and penalties. I don’t love the odds. If you’re keeping it under/around the $35k current rollover limit, I can get on board with that a little easier.
Additionally, part of my issue is the 15 year requirement for the Roth means your kid is basically at least 15 years from a college or no college decision, and who knows what college will even look like at that time.
More often than not, I’d rather see someone maxing 401k and Roth accounts, at a minimum, before I even get into 529 plans.
Posted on 3/1/24 at 7:44 am to slackster
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Additionally, part of my issue is the 15 year requirement for the Roth means your kid is basically at least 15 years from a college or no college decision, and who knows what college will even look like at that time.
Personally, my kids are going to college. They will be raised where it won’t even be considered an option not to continue into upper education. I know there are families that absolutely disagree but they can parent their own way.
Posted on 3/1/24 at 7:46 am to slackster
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More often than not, I’d rather see someone maxing 401k and Roth accounts, at a minimum, before I even get into 529 plans.
Already max those and HSA. I do 529 contributions in addition to meaningful weekly brokerage contributions.
Posted on 3/1/24 at 8:34 am to slackster
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Maybe. It’s not indexed to inflation in the legislation though, so I wouldn’t bank on it.
Plenty of things arent indexed to inflation and constantly rise over time, not worried at all there. I'm 100% sure it wont be $35k 17 years from now
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If she doesn’t go to college and that cap doesn’t go up you’re also looking at 10% penalty and ordinary income taxes on up to $60k - if you’re paying 15% LTCGs you’re paying at least 32% in taxes and penalties on that money. Poof, there goes the tax savings by a factor of 1.5x.
Keep in mind its not just 4 year colleges you can use this money for, so its not if she does or doesnt go to a 4-year institution, but plenty of other options there as well. Personally there seems like extremely few scenarios she wont do some type of post high school education. Just the way we're going to raise her and how both my wife and I were raised. There are some extreme things that could happen where it doesnt happen, but banking on it happening is just fine by me all things considered. Also, again, the cap will most definitely be going up over time so not worried there.
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But income taxes still apply. 22%+ there too using your CG bracket.
They also apply in a taxable brokerage account, except in the taxable brokerage account I have zero tax saving options if she goes to any type of education after high school. This is why to me it's pretty much a no brainer to go the 529 route, there's enough outs where the huge amount of tax savings that is likely is worth it.
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