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Gah you guys aren't even trying. GO READ THE DOCUMENT. They have come out and clarified multiple times, but the document clearly says it's not blessing the union, it's blessing the people.

Then two weeks ago, the Pope came out and said it again just to make sure the point was clear:

Pope Francis: Bless the persons, not the union

Thing is, no one reports it. And none of the irrational Catholic-hating people on this board care to actually read anything except the BS gossip.

The Pope can say whatever he wants but what do his actions show?

When a priest chooses to blatantly defy what the Pope says and in fact is blessing the union: Rev. Jan Korditschke decided to hold blessings for LGBTQ+ couples in Berlin “because the love of homosexuals is something good.

“I stand behind what I am doing, though it is painful for me that I cannot do it in tune with the church leadership,” Korditschke, who works for the city’s Jesuit diocese. LINK

Surely this priest would be pastorally corrected, as even he acknowledges his actions are not in tune with church leadership, despite the vow of obedience he took? Well no, apparently not because this priest has been saying these things for at least 3 years now and he’s still a chaplain and teacher at a Catholic spiritual retreat center.

There’s also this woman, Theresia Härtel, a sexologist and pastoral worker in the Berlin area. Härtel serves as the contact for queer-sensitive pastoral care within Bernhard Lichtenberg, the parish that Herz Jesu is within.
Härtel wears her passion for sex education on her ears, in the form of clay earrings in the shape of an anatomically correct vulva, swinging as she bustles through the church’s courtyard, greeting nearly every person that passes by.

In addition to her queer-sensitive pastoral work, Härtel leads a youth group at the Herz Jesu church. LINK

The Pope does not have to allow this, the church has a hierarchy and its clergy take vows of obedience. These people are flagrantly disobeying Church doctrine while proudly giving interviews and posing for pictures at their Church-owned offices. Are the clergy defrocked? Lay people fired? Are we to assume Pope Francis does not know about the statements and actions of these people, despite clear evidence that he is aware?

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Posted on 2/11/24 at 7:50 pm to Lightning

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The Pope can say whatever he wants but what do his actions show?

When a priest chooses to blatantly defy what the Pope says and in fact is blessing the union: Rev. Jan Korditschke decided to hold blessings for LGBTQ+ couples in Berlin “because the love of homosexuals is something good.

“I stand behind what I am doing, though it is painful for me that I cannot do it in tune with the church leadership,” Korditschke, who works for the city’s Jesuit diocese. LINK

Surely this priest would be pastorally corrected, as even he acknowledges his actions are not in tune with church leadership, despite the vow of obedience he took? Well no, apparently not because this priest has been saying these things for at least 3 years now and he’s still a chaplain and teacher at a Catholic spiritual retreat center.

There’s also this woman, Theresia Härtel, a sexologist and pastoral worker in the Berlin area. Härtel serves as the contact for queer-sensitive pastoral care within Bernhard Lichtenberg, the parish that Herz Jesu is within.
Härtel wears her passion for sex education on her ears, in the form of clay earrings in the shape of an anatomically correct vulva, swinging as she bustles through the church’s courtyard, greeting nearly every person that passes by.

In addition to her queer-sensitive pastoral work, Härtel leads a youth group at the Herz Jesu church. LINK

The Pope does not have to allow this, the church has a hierarchy and its clergy take vows of obedience. These people are flagrantly disobeying Church doctrine while proudly giving interviews and posing for pictures at their Church-owned offices. Are the clergy defrocked? Lay people fired? Are we to assume Pope Francis does not know about the statements and actions of these people, despite clear evidence that he is aware?

Alright, so I'm going to assume you really don't know what I'm going to tell you.

The document Francis put out about blessings was, in part, a response to these German Bishops and their priests advocating for a lot of this LGBTQ stuff that goes against Church teaching. It lines out all the limits of a blessing, which end up not being what the German Bishops want. They wanted liturgical blessings/a formal right, Francis told them to go pound sand.

After it was written, the Vatican came out and explained it was a strong response to the German bishops who are openly advocating for gay marriage because it denies their petitions. The Vatican also has these German bishops scheduled to continue to come to the Vatican (like three times this year). They've already told them to stop, and they keep telling them to stop. The Pope is not just ignoring them, but he is trying to get them back into the fold/correct them without letting them fall away. Unfortunately, the issue in Germany isn't contained to just a few extreme parishes. It's a lot of them.

This post was edited on 2/11/24 at 7:54 pm

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