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re: Dejounte Murray as a potential trade target

Posted on 1/30/24 at 2:42 pm to
Posted by TeddyPadillac
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 1/30/24 at 2:42 pm to
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This organization put him in that role. You can blame the “fat arse” but BI has been touted as “the guy” on this team and if hes extended will likely be paid as such. I agree there has been a mismanagement of roles on this team and thats Zion’s fault to a degree but also the organization, coaching staff and BI himself. BI has never tried to be a number 2 on this team- the one time he was- he got SVG fired.



No offense, as i enjoy your opinions and discussions with you, but i feel like you likely never played basketball at a high level. The fault lies 90% with Zion.

Why would you want a player to just default into not being the best player? BI wants the ball. You want that in guys. The best player typically is going to rise to the top, and the rest of the team is generally going to see that ascension and support it (see Tyrese Maxey). The problem is Zion doesn't seem to want it. He doesn't work hard in the offseason like BI, so he doesn't have the respect of his teammates. He picks and chooses when he feels like giving a shite on the court. And he's been the most turnover prone player in the clutch in the league along with Lebron. Difference is Lebron still helps his team win games. Lakers are 13-6 in "clutch" games.
Pelicans are 6-10.
We saw this with AD in that he'd scored 25 points, and take 1 shot in the last 4 minutes of the game. It was extremely frustrating. and then we would bitch about Jrue taking all the shots late in games, and missing free throws and what not. We sat there and blamed Jrue, when AD was the problem b/c he didn't demand the basketball and take the shots. He started to more and more, but it basically said he doesn't want the burden of being "the guy", and wants to play second fiddle, and when the guy that's supposed to take that burden doesn't want to, it thrusts someone else that maybe shouldn't be in that role into it.
Here we are several years later doing the exact same thing with Zion and BI. BI is a clear #2 guy, yet he keeps having to be the #1 b/c fatass doesn't want to.

You can say all you want BI is at fault as well, and the coaches are at fault, but the ultimate fault is on Zion. He's not prepared to be the #1 b/c he's lazy off the court, and when he's on the court he does more bad than good in those situations usually, and then you have him just easily stepping back from the situation and letting BI do the work alone. I guarantee you his teammates don't respect him enough to give him the ball in the clutch as easily as they do with BI.

You can see at times a play was called and it falls apart and they hurry up and get BI the ball and basically say "good luck, it's all on you now". We suck at execution late in games, and that's a coaching issue more than anything.




what really sucks in all of this is that you get better in the clutch with experience, yet we have played only 16 clutch games this year, good for 3rd to least in the league.
Posted by Pels_Yaz
Member since Apr 2023
9327 posts
Posted on 1/30/24 at 2:59 pm to
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No offense, as i enjoy your opinions and discussions with you, but i feel like you likely never played basketball at a high level. The fault lies 90% with Zion.


Unnecessary but if you feel like this makes your point stronger go ahead. I just think it weakens your argument because you’re trying to prove your credentials on a message board with no way to validate that you played basketball at a high level.

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Why would you want a player to just default into not being the best player? BI wants the ball.


Sure but that doesn’t mean he deserves it or it’s Zion’s fault. So you’re saying because BI works hard in the offseason and is more respected he deserves to be the number one option? No he doesn’t- your play on the court and talent determine that.

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Here we are several years later doing the exact same thing with Zion and BI. BI is a clear #2 guy, yet he keeps having to be the #1 b/c fatass doesn't want to.


You act like BI doesn’t want to be #1 and would be satisfied being number #2. Well when SVG gave Zion the keys- BI it was reported that he didn’t like it and was instrumental in getting him fired. Doesnt seem like he was ok being #2 then.

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You can say all you want BI is at fault as well, and the coaches are at fault, but the ultimate fault is on Zion. He's not prepared to be the #1 b/c he's lazy off the court, and when he's on the court he does more bad than good in those situations usually, and then you have him just easily stepping back from the situation and letting BI do the work alone. I guarantee you his teammates don't respect him enough to give him the ball in the clutch as easily as they do with BI.


Dude this is all assumption and opinion. Look Zion has his issues which you’re not wrong on but acting like BI is the poor hard working star that saves his arse is absolutely ridiculous. There are tons of times he has done more bad than good just like Zion.

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You can see at times a play was called and it falls apart and they hurry up and get BI the ball and basically say "good luck, it's all on you now". We suck at execution late in games, and that's a coaching issue more than anything.


Yet what does BI do? He’s horriblenin the clutch and takes the worst possible shots. So instead of rising to the occasion- hes part of the problem.

I’m going to be real for someone who says they played high level basketball- you seem to ignore BIs flaws and blame everything on Zion. You’re sounding like a BI stans. If you said both are completely at fault that would be a more competent argument but this sounds more like lets blame the fat arse for everything because no one else deserves the blame.

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