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re: Amazon Prime new cartoon retells the creation story
Posted on 1/19/24 at 9:57 pm to Squirrelmeister
Posted on 1/19/24 at 9:57 pm to Squirrelmeister
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When one gave up their spirit, they were physically dead. From dust Adam was made and to dust he shall return. There was no afterlife. Death was death. You may not like that very much and it isn’t consistent with the New Testament.
WRONG.
Are you familiar with the Biblical account of Lazarus and the Rich Man? And their respective destination upon death? (This is NOT an "allegory".)
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I hope you don’t think your spirit is going to go to heaven when you die.
I think your constant misunderstanding is about TIMELINE and CONTEXT.
You also aren't quite understand the meaning of God's Word, actions and Gospel plan, the dynamics of the Afterlife, nor the Bible's subtleties. Yes, You're reading words and sentences but it does you no good.
As I've stated earlier up-thread, there's a reason for this inability to understand:
The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit
1 Corinthians 2:14
I'll address your other post tomorrow. Thanks for your patience.
Posted on 1/20/24 at 7:35 am to Liberator
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WRONG. Are you familiar with the Biblical account of Lazarus and the Rich Man? And their respective destination upon death? (This is NOT an "allegory".)
It’s very frustrating knowing you aren’t rejecting my argument due to your own mental gymnastics but rather you aren’t even reading and understanding what I’m writing in the first place.
Why tell me I’m wrong and bring up Lazarus from the gospel of Luke? I was talking specifically about Genesis and more broadly about the Torah. You even quoted what I originally wrote but you didn’t bother to read it. See below - I bolded the part that should have caught your eye to reinforce that I wasn’t talking about the New Testament.
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When one gave up their spirit, they were physically dead. From dust Adam was made and to dust he shall return. There was no afterlife. Death was death. You may not like that very much and it isn’t consistent with the New Testament.
Look, it is a fact that ancient Jews at the time genesis and the Torah was written didn’t believe in an afterlife. That changed after the influence of Zoroastrianism and Greek paganism over hundreds of years so that by the time of Christ, some (but not all) Jewish sects believed in an afterlife. At that time the Saducees didn’t believe in an afterlife, but the Pharisees I believe did definitely the Essenes of the messianic cults like the Dead Sea Scrolls community and the Jesus movement.
Ancient Jews don’t believe in afterlife
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Most of the scholarly world agrees that there is no concept of immortality of life after death in the Old Testament.
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Even many Jewish thinkers deny an afterlife. For instance in a 1991 interview, Jewish professor Yeshayahu Leibowitz said, Death has no significance… only life matters… In the entire Torah there is not the slightest suggestion that anything happens after death. All the ideas and theories articulated on the subject of a world to come and the resurrection of the dead have no relationship to religious faith. It is sheer folklore. After you die, you simply do not exist.
Wiki link references scholarly book on subject
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Greek and Persian culture influenced Jewish sects to believe in an afterlife between the 6th and 4th centuries BCE as well.
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As I've stated earlier up-thread, there's a reason for this inability to understand: The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit
So the supreme being, all powerful creator of the universe inspires a book with so many factually inaccurate statements and contradictions that one must be filled by the power of the Holy Spirit to understand the text? You have to be duped or brainwashed into already believing the material… to understand what it says. Sounds about right actually but that is sad.
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