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re: Over 25% of Methodist churches abandon denomination as schism grows over LGBTQ+ issues
Posted on 12/30/23 at 10:24 am to FooManChoo
Posted on 12/30/23 at 10:24 am to FooManChoo
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This isn’t an issue of biblical clarity but of sin.
I figured you'd go back to the Circular Logic of "The Bible is perfectly clear but THAT guy is wrong about what that passage clearly states.
In other words, we are back to Protestantism's fundamental flaw - the Bible says whatever any person says that it says. If I say that a passage clearly states "A", then Foo simply comes along and says, no, it clearly states "B". What happens after that? Foo and I have two NEW sects of Protestantism.
Posted on 12/30/23 at 10:27 am to Champagne
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Foo and I have two NEW sects of Protestantism.
That's why in this small Arkansas town my mawmaw grew up in has like 10 different baptist churches on the same road
always cracks me up
Posted on 12/30/23 at 5:18 pm to Champagne
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In other words, we are back to Protestantism's fundamental flaw - the Bible says whatever any person says that it says.
O.k., but the flaw of Catholicism is that the Bible says whatever one specific person says it is. So Catholics don't even have any choice about participating in heresy when the Pope decides to commit it.
Both are problems. Between the two, I'll take the first.
Posted on 12/30/23 at 5:23 pm to Champagne
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the Bible says whatever any person says that it says.
This is a flaw of humans. The inability to admit what the Bible actually says is a sinful act that is perpetrated throughout human existence, not just in protestant denominations.
This is actually a major flaw with the Catholic Church because many central tenants of Catholicism are clearly and obviously shown as false in the Bible. Such as the hierarchy of the Pope, bishops, etc, the separation of priests and the nuns from the gift of marriage, the idea that the Catholic Church is the one true church, the lie that Mary was a perpetual virgin, the idea that saints can intercede on your behalf, the list goes on.
Posted on 12/30/23 at 7:08 pm to Champagne
quote:I try to be consistent with my application of biblical principles.
I figured you'd go back to the Circular Logic of "The Bible is perfectly clear but THAT guy is wrong about what that passage clearly states.
It's precisely because I believe the Bible is clear that I can look at obviously false interpretations and beliefs and say that they are wrong. Not everything the Bible says is as equally clear, and yet there are some things that are obviously contradictory, such as the homosexual agenda of calling evil good. If you want to argue perspicuity, this is not the issue to do so. And even so, there are disagreements and differences in interpretation even within Catholicism. It's just "different" because differences still fall within the shell of Catholicism, so you can pretend there is still unity.
quote:For someone who is very concerned about people mischaracterizing Catholic teaching, you are quite loose with your words regarding Protestant beliefs. In no way, shape, or form do I believe that the Bible can say whatever any person says it says. That's an abuse of God's word and ultimately makes God a liar who isn't the font of truth, but the font of relativism and lacking in truth, because if everything is "true", then nothing is true.
In other words, we are back to Protestantism's fundamental flaw - the Bible says whatever any person says that it says.
quote:Not necessarily. I'm Presbyterian so I don't believe splits are always necessary; quite the opposite.
If I say that a passage clearly states "A", then Foo simply comes along and says, no, it clearly states "B". What happens after that? Foo and I have two NEW sects of Protestantism.
However, as much as I hate disunity, it's the natural conclusion in a sinful world where the consciences are not bound by fallible men. Truth is more important than unity. That's why the Reformation happened.
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