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re: Kelly supports the Bama over FSU decision

Posted on 12/7/23 at 7:10 pm to
Posted by OceanMan
Member since Mar 2010
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Posted on 12/7/23 at 7:10 pm to
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I'm only talking about this year.


This is what you said.

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Power 5 conference winners who are really the only teams considered for the CFP


So are you just saying thats what happened this year? Because other teams have been considered that did not fit that criteria.

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That an undefeated P5 conference champ didn't make it this year is based on this year's circumstances. Ever been what? Excluded?


Yes, ever been excluded. Further, if you look at ranking the playoffs year over year, record is the prime factor in determining not only who gets in, but the seeding. Clearly, the committee has discretion in regard precedent. But when looking at the guidelines, and trying to understand the hierarchy, I believe the opening paragraph that includes “similar record and pedigree” has been demonstrated to mean that undefeated is the primary consideration


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UW and UMich were ahead of Bama and Texas by a wide margin and didn't have CCG wins that gave any doubt.


UW won by 3 pts. Define doubt.

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UW and Mich weren't going to be lowered based on their SoS and CCG


This means nothing. You have yet to quantify any of this.

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No. You reference the tie-breaker, but it's a five-way tie,


But you keep making it a three way tie. And I’m trying to tell you that UT and Bama don’t need to be tied to eachother, because of the tie breaker.


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UT and Bama can't jump Michigan and UW because of their CCG wins and SoS.


This is not a reason. Quantity it, at least a little

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UGA losing moved them to 1 and 2. That leaves Texas, Bama, and FSU.


This is just what happened again. I see you already moved them to the end of the list but I don’t think they should have been.

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I think it could have easily played out with FSU getting in with Bama or UTx being left out. It would not have been indefensible nor unreasonable


It would have been the most defensible with Bama out, which is the point of all these posts. To believe FSU should have been left out, is to believe that your entire Roster needs to stay available for the playoffs. You must start with the assumption that they, not all undefeated teams, deserved to defend their case against Bama AND UT.

I know what happened, you don’t have to explain it to me. I’m trying to explain how it happened, and give my opinion that I don’t think it’s good for the sport. it’s a further step in the direction to quasi professional, yet Top-Heavy realignment of college sports that will be supported by Gambling more than fandom.
Posted by DakIsNoLB
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2015
610 posts
Posted on 12/7/23 at 8:40 pm to
Yes. You asked me a direct question earlier about which teams and specifically from this year. I meant that only the 5 P5 conference winners had any real consideration for the CFP. Yes, technically all teams in the FBS qualify for consideration, and a team like UGA was dang close to the top 5, but it really came down to just those 5.

We differ on similar. 12-1 and 13-0 would be considered similar given the P5 conference winners.

Doubt comes from quality if opponent. FSU and UTx are ar the bottom there. Oregon, UGA, and Iowa are better opponents.

It doesn’t mean nothing. SOS and CCG are criteria and the 4 that got in have it over FSU. Quantifiable I’ve tried to do. Opponents combined win loss record. The SoS and record of CCG opponent. That hasn’t moved the needle for you but I believe that is a major part of their decision.

It came down to the five. I explained why they wouldn’t drop Mich and UW. That brings it to the remaining three. It started with all 5 are of similar pedigree and record. They helped themselves with their CCG wins to stay above the other three. FSU arguably didn’t do enough to keep Bama or UTx out. I’ve stated why there. None is enough to trump 13-0 for you. And that’s fine; it’s enough for me to call it defensible.

I understand you get it; we differ on weight of criteria and it being bad for the sport. As I said at the end of my last, it would have been defensible based on their criteria to send any two of FSU, Bama, and UTx. I appreciate the civil disagreement. Happy holidays.

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