re: Largest EV charging station in the world (*powered by diesel generators)

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Thing is, the burning of fossil fuels to generate electricity is less efficient than just burning th fuel directly in a car

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So what they are selling is literally a form of alchemy. Otherwise intelligent folks ought to know better but for many reasons they do not stop to consider that producing electricity to do what a gasoline engine can do by using a gasoline engine is probably not going to save any energy. The same is true of ethanol...it takes a lot of corn to make ethanol. Takes a heap of Diesel to make the damned corn. Could just use the oil that made the diesel to as diesel without planting the corn. If the energy derived from converting diesel fuel to corn was even close to even with what it takes to produce the corn it would be a fricking miracle of science...if it produced one BTU more than it took it would solve the world's energy crisis and would be what is known as a machine of perpetual motion....we would have used energy to produce energy without not only no loss but an actual gain!!!! Of course that is not now, never has been and will never be done....but that is what they pretend like they have done.

I am all in on EVs. I think there is a place for small, light duty vehicles with a range of about 100 miles that can be charged in an hour or so on a 120v 20 amp circuit. That is basically what a golf cart is. Trying to create an electric half ton pickup that will do anything remotely like what a gas pickup will do is idiotic.

I used to have a blender that was driven by a chain saw motor. They were pretty common at tailgates back in the day. They were a NOVELTY. No one would use one in a fricking bar that had electricity. In fact, I never used mine when I did not also have a generator, if not actually running at least on hand and ready to run. It was a novelty...it was fun...it wasn't ever meant to replace electric blenders because that is fricking STUPID. That chainsaw Daiquirri machine is no different than EVs today. Only a moron would use either as a replacement for the normally accepted item. There is a place for EVs. Running 80 MPH on the interstate with a family of 4 inside for 5 hours is not a place for one...there is already a device that will do that more efficiently from raw material to the landfill....yet folks are lined up around the corner to buy a $70K chainsaw Daiquiri machine.

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They are all on generators.


No they aren't you twit

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They are. Just what "fuel" is the generator using. Solar, wind, diesel?

But they all work the same way. A fuel source is used to produce (generate) electricity, something converts it to usable.

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I know 4 people with EV's and none of them bought them because of the environment. They're mainly driven by the female of the household and only charged at home. They all have an ICE vehicle as well. I hate the hypocrisy of the left trying to force EV's on us. I also don't understand the hate for EV's just for the sake of hating them. They're outstanding tech and improving yearly. We're going to have both for a very long time.

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I do not understand why so many people are all in on ICE and hate the idea of EVs. They both have a place in the world. ICE vehicles are going to be around a LONG time...but the advances in EV technology is not without merit. The idea of using an electric half ton truck today though is ASININE. The technology is not there and may never be. EVs that will carry 1000 pounds 30 mph for an hour on a 3-4 hour charge at a 120 volt, 20 amp circuit would be great. A EV capable of running 120 MPH and hauling 6000 pounds 4 miles before needing a 8 hour charge at a 40 amp 240 volt charger is idiotic....

I think we are drifting too far into parsing the word.

The OP title is that the station is using a diesel generator to power the chargers. Which is completely false.

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agreed. I prefer to sit for 30-40 minutes waiting for my car to charge than to sit for 4 minutes and fill it up. My time is valuable.

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My car is fueled up every morning while I sleep and I don’t stop anywhere to charge or fuel up.

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I think we are drifting too far into parsing the word.

The OP title is that the station is using a diesel generator to power the chargers. Which is completely false.

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So the original post linked to a post that stated the chargers were fed from the grid or a diesel generator when the grid was unstable. They categorically are, you can see it on Googlearth.

What is interesting is Musk claiming that the superchargers will be off grid anytime soon. There is NO way that will happen. Those chargers in the picture require a 250 amp, 480 volt three phase circuit....EACH. There is a demand factor applied to the service for that facility but the power consumption of that place is immense. There ain't enough land in the area to supply that load with solar panels when you factor in voltage drop due to the vast area the conductors would have to traverse. It simply is not going to happen. Not today, not tomorrow and probably not 1000 years from now.

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Largest EV charging station in the world (*powered by diesel generators)
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What is interesting is Musk claiming that the superchargers will be off grid anytime soon. There is NO way that will happen. Those chargers in the picture require a 250 amp, 480 volt three phase circuit....EACH. There is a demand factor applied to the service for that facility but the power consumption of that place is immense. There ain't enough land in the area to supply that load with solar panels when you factor in voltage drop due to the vast area the conductors would have to traverse. It simply is not going to happen. Not today, not tomorrow and probably not 1000 years from now.

Back of the napkin math says you'd need about 100 acres to run that off solar at full capacity.

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The napkin is fricked up then.

I was initially wrond about a demand factor. 2023 NEC may have one but the one used in most jurisdictions today, did not allow for any demand factor on charging station circuits because there was a good chance that all stations would be used simultaneously. I suspect the AHJ may allow some demand factor for a site such as this but at best that demand factor would probably be about 50%. At a demand rate of 50% in the location of this charging station it would take right at 1200 acres of SOLAR PANEL FACE....and they can't be hard against one another. Probably somewhere in the neighborhood of a couple of thousand acres for panels and supporting equipment and roads. For one charging station. A big one, for certain, but only one.

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Of course you wouldn’t.

Why would a staunch supporter of the party of child molestation, child grooming and child mutilation give a damn about children (especially kidnapped ones as you proudly posted)?

You cannot DIAF soon enough…

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Politics have broken some of you.

You are dense.