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re: Colorado is trying to disqualify Trump from the ballot

Posted on 9/7/23 at 9:46 am to
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
42941 posts
Posted on 9/7/23 at 9:46 am to
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Because nothing in Section 3 requires a criminal conviction. AT MOST an adjudication with due process would be needed, which is why they filed suit.
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What do you think the actual process would look like?

There was a long thread on this issue a day or two ago, involving 4-5 of the brighter lawyers on the PT. Worth reading.

In short, the consensus was the criminal proceedings are not required by Section 3, but that some proceedings consistent with "due process" would be required ... e.g. not just a unilateral decision by a state AG.
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Trump is not a named Harvey so he would not present evidence
I assume you are dictating and not proofreading, so I don't understand the "Harvey" reference (or "lawnmower"), but he IS a named defendant. Check the Complaint, which I linked on p.2.
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Would it be civil standard of proof or criminal?
Personally, I think it would be a civil (MLTN) standard, precisely because Section 3 does not include any "criminal" references.
Posted by Robin Masters
Birmingham
Member since Jul 2010
30043 posts
Posted on 9/7/23 at 9:56 am to
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There was a long thread on this issue a day or two ago, involving 4-5 of the brighter lawyers on the PT. Worth reading.

In short, the consensus was the criminal proceedings are not required by Section 3, but that some proceedings consistent with "due process" would be required ... e.g. not just a unilateral decision by a state AG.


The fact that there is zero precedent and the law clearly needs to be thinly stretched to achieve the desired outcome, not of justice, but of obvious political advantage should disqualify this entire legal remedy. If you have to debate about whether or not you "can" charge your political enemy then the answer about whether or not you should is pretty self evident... for any decent freedom loving person that is.
This post was edited on 9/7/23 at 9:59 am
Posted by GRTiger
On a roof eating alligator pie
Member since Dec 2008
63245 posts
Posted on 9/7/23 at 11:13 am to
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because Section 3 does not include any "criminal" references.


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