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Come on Texas. Our grid is supposed to be impenetrable

Posted on 9/6/23 at 8:16 pm
Posted by RedRifle
Austin/NO
Member since Dec 2013
8334 posts
Posted on 9/6/23 at 8:16 pm


Posted by LemmyLives
Texas
Member since Mar 2019
13188 posts
Posted on 9/6/23 at 8:21 pm to
Your neighbors are currently charging their Teslas off of the coal plant between Houston and Austin.

But yeah, wind should be a large chunk of our grid. And stop fracking and pipelines. What kind of consequences did one expect?
Posted by BabyTac
Austin, TX
Member since Jun 2008
15701 posts
Posted on 9/6/23 at 8:22 pm to
Thank heavens for the wind generation keeping everyone online! Seriously.
This post was edited on 9/6/23 at 8:23 pm
Posted by Sao
East Texas Piney Woods
Member since Jun 2009
68469 posts
Posted on 9/6/23 at 8:30 pm to

Just their way of easing us into additional charges over the winter months. They have no intention of improving or securing the grid and forfit profit.
Posted by LemmyLives
Texas
Member since Mar 2019
13188 posts
Posted on 9/6/23 at 8:34 pm to
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their way


You live in East Texas, and the first place you turn is to "greedy company" bullshite? Not the legislature? Not Ercot? Not the dumbshit from Oklahoma State that has filled rural Texas with turbines that fail to provide power when needed? Replace wind capacity with more Nat Gas or Nuke capacity, nobody would be having problems at 6pm on a weekday.
Posted by Arkapigdiesel
Faulkner County
Member since Jun 2009
15397 posts
Posted on 9/6/23 at 8:37 pm to
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Replace wind capacity with more Nat Gas or Nuke capacity, nobody would be having problems at 6pm on a weekday.
Posted by Damone
FoCo
Member since Aug 2016
32966 posts
Posted on 9/6/23 at 8:39 pm to
No way, surely we can trust these protected corporations to look out for their customers. The Market would not allow otherwise.
This post was edited on 9/6/23 at 8:39 pm
Posted by Sao
East Texas Piney Woods
Member since Jun 2009
68469 posts
Posted on 9/6/23 at 8:42 pm to
quote:

You live in East Texas, and the first place you turn is to "greedy company" bullshite?


When it comes to ERCOT and Austin empty suit promises of changing our situation for the last 2 years? Damn right I do. Hell, look up the ERCOT Board. Shills.
Posted by ob1pimpbobi
College Station
Member since Jul 2022
2932 posts
Posted on 9/6/23 at 8:51 pm to
I'm in this business, and I hate it. The boys in Austin are so dumb. Get used to it.
Posted by bapple
Capital City
Member since Oct 2010
12188 posts
Posted on 9/6/23 at 8:52 pm to
Texas has invested way too heavily in intermittent weather-dependent power generation and has not invested enough in thermal baseload generation. Here are the consequences:

LINK

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Note that of the 38,695 MW of installed wind capacity, its summer capacity is only 10,427 MW. Less than one-third of the installed wind capacity can generate power on hot summer days because of reduced wind speeds. On August 4, 2023, the wind generated only 6,276 MW which is only 16.2% of the installed wind capacity.


This is absolutely pitiful. Of the 38MW of wind capacity installed, I doubt it ever generates 100% of nameplate capacity even for a second. On average, you can expect about 30-40% generation for wind. Solar is slightly better but cannot produce at night where wind can if conditions are right.

This also very hard on the thermal generation that has to ramp up and down every single day due to the intermittency of the renewable generation.



quote:

Wind and solar are not reliable enough to maintain grid stability and therefore require dispatchable power sources such as coal, nuclear, and natural gas-powered generation to stabilize the grid. Until sufficient utility-scale battery storage is available, which is unlikely anytime soon due to the cost of current technologies, the ERCOT power grid and all others will require substantial natural gas generation capacity to maintain grid stability.


EDIT: hot off the press from yesterday… natural gas, coal, and nuclear represented over 80% of generation in Texas as the sun went down and the wind stopped shining during peak demand.


This post was edited on 9/7/23 at 8:08 am
Posted by billjamin
Houston
Member since Jun 2019
16511 posts
Posted on 9/6/23 at 8:52 pm to
quote:

Our grid is supposed to be impenetrable
it’s been in shitty shape for a long time. You can have a ballin’ grid or cheap electricity, not both.
This post was edited on 9/6/23 at 8:53 pm
Posted by White Bear
AT WORK
Member since Jul 2014
17183 posts
Posted on 9/6/23 at 8:53 pm to
Savin dat plannett doe
Posted by Slingscode
Houston, TX
Member since Sep 2011
2189 posts
Posted on 9/6/23 at 8:54 pm to
I sold back to the grid for $5 a kwh today.

My Aug bill was -21 bucks.

Ha!
Posted by thetruthisnotkind
Houston
Member since Nov 2022
328 posts
Posted on 9/6/23 at 8:57 pm to
Let’s go to less dense forms of energy…that’s the solution!
Posted by billjamin
Houston
Member since Jun 2019
16511 posts
Posted on 9/6/23 at 8:57 pm to
quote:

I sold back to the grid for $5 a kwh today.
Posted by GeauxTigers123
Member since Feb 2007
3056 posts
Posted on 9/6/23 at 8:57 pm to
quote:

I sold back to the grid for $5 a kwh today.


Do you have a lot of panels?
Posted by LemmyLives
Texas
Member since Mar 2019
13188 posts
Posted on 9/6/23 at 8:58 pm to
quote:

Texas has invested way too heavily in intermittent weather-dependent power generation and has not invested enough in thermal baseload generation.

I recognize that graphic, but none of the morons here will pay attention to it this time either. Time for beer.
This post was edited on 9/6/23 at 8:58 pm
Posted by Sao
East Texas Piney Woods
Member since Jun 2009
68469 posts
Posted on 9/6/23 at 8:59 pm to
quote:

I'm in this business, and I hate it. The boys in Austin are so dumb. Get used to it.


Nah. Apparently all is well and Austin blowhards aren't the issue. It's us, the consumer.
Posted by billjamin
Houston
Member since Jun 2019
16511 posts
Posted on 9/6/23 at 8:59 pm to
quote:

Texas has invested

“Texas” doesn’t invest in any of this. It’s privately owned and operated assets.
Posted by Slingscode
Houston, TX
Member since Sep 2011
2189 posts
Posted on 9/6/23 at 9:01 pm to
35 or so and 3 17kwh batteries
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