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re: Alabama AG says he has the right to prosecute those who facilitate out-of-state abortions

Posted on 9/1/23 at 9:26 pm to
Posted by captdalton
Member since Feb 2021
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Posted on 9/1/23 at 9:26 pm to
Anyone who read the original quote must have missed where the advisement said “could”, not “would”. It seems to be up in the air.

This isn’t aimed at Uber drivers as someone else mentioned.

It is aimed at the groups mentioned in the original quote. There are out of state organizations that are working with pro-abortion groups in the state to coordinate and finance abortions. They are physically inside the state of Alabama planning women’s abortions. That would meet the definition of conspire. And it can be argued that planning and conspiring to perform abortions in Alabama would be illegal, since abortion is illegal afterall.

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verb (used without object),con·spired, con·spir·ing.
1. to agree together, especially secretly, to do something wrong, evil, or illegal:

2. to act or work together toward the same result or goal:

3. to plot (something wrong, evil, or illegal)

The original quote even says it is not dependent on the abortion taking place. It is all about the conspiring. The courts will ultimately decide what is what and where lines are drawn.

But this is aimed at these groups that have moved into Alabama and are planning, coordinating, and financing abortions in the state of Alabama.

There are a lot of people in prison for murder that never pulled the trigger or even held the gun. They were just part of the robbery that ultimately resulted in a murder. There are even people in prison for crimes they didn’t physically commit, but helped plan and coordinate. So all the forum lawyers need to not act like it is unheard of for the justice system to throw everyone into the same blender.

There are right at this moment organized groups working in Alabama to get Alabama women abortions. Making all arrangements. Paying all expenses. One question is when does the act of getting an abortion actually begin? Is it the moment the actual physical abortion occurs? Or does the act of getting an abortion begin when it is planned? There are people in Michigan who are in prison for planning to abduct the governor. They didn’t do it, but talked about it. The January 6th prisoners are in prison for conspiring to overthrow the government. Obviously none of them were successful, but they are in prison for conspiring to do it. Based on that precedent, why would conspiring to perform an abortion inside the state of Alabama not be illegal?
Posted by wackatimesthree
Member since Oct 2019
4447 posts
Posted on 9/1/23 at 9:29 pm to
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So all the forum lawyers need to not act like it is unheard of for the justice system to throw everyone into the same blender.


I haven't seen anyone confused about that.

What I have never seen is someone prosecuted for a crime for planning to do something in a place in which it wasn't actually a crime.

Have you?
Posted by boosiebadazz
Member since Feb 2008
80584 posts
Posted on 9/1/23 at 9:36 pm to
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One question is when does the act of getting an abortion actually begin?


When you first think of it? We doing thought crimes now?

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Or does the act of getting an abortion begin when it is planned?


By doing what? Giving someone money and telling them to drive on the interstate? Since when is that illegal?

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There are people in Michigan who are in prison for planning to abduct the governor. They didn’t do it, but talked about it.


Look up an inchoate crime. And kidnapping is illegal in Michigan (where they intended to commit it).

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The January 6th prisoners are in prison for conspiring to overthrow the government. Obviously none of them were successful, but they are in prison for conspiring to do it.


None of the J6 folks are being prosecuted by state prosecutors. They committed crimes in a federal district and are being prosecuted by federal prosecutors.

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Based on that precedent, why would conspiring to perform an abortion inside the state of Alabama not be illegal?


Because it’s fundamentally different in ways you don’t seem to understand.
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