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re: New baby on the way - Whooping Cough vaccine

Posted on 8/31/23 at 6:01 pm to
Posted by X123F45
Member since Apr 2015
27491 posts
Posted on 8/31/23 at 6:01 pm to
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You offered a definition on 'real vaccines,' you dim bulb.


No. I was asked to explain things in layman's terms as I saw them.

I could have used the lovely "blueprint" buzzword, I chose not to.
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
36311 posts
Posted on 8/31/23 at 6:01 pm to
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Are you making the argument that all medical doctors are virology experts now?



Compared to the layperson, yes.
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
36311 posts
Posted on 8/31/23 at 6:03 pm to
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No. I was asked to explain things in layman's terms as I saw them.



No. I said this:

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Define 'real vaccines' for me in discrete terms


No where did I say I wanted it in layman's terms as 'you saw them.' You were the one who insinuated you didn't mind 'real vaccines.' I asked for your definition of 'real vaccines' and so far you've just tried to move the goalposts.

Again, you do not have an understanding of immunology, vaccinology, molecular biology, etc., to actually be able to make a caveat like that. Why you decided to is another question.
This post was edited on 8/31/23 at 6:05 pm
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
40194 posts
Posted on 8/31/23 at 6:04 pm to
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And aluminum?


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The aluminum contained in vaccines is similar to that found in a liter (about 1 quart or 32 fluid ounces) of infant formula. While infants receive about 4.4 milligrams* of aluminum in the first six months of life from vaccines, they receive more than that in their diet. Breast-fed infants ingest about 7 milligrams, formula-fed infants ingest about 38 milligrams, and infants who are fed soy formula ingest almost 117 milligrams of aluminum during the first six months of life.
LINK

If your child is fed then it will ingest Aluminum. BTW aluminum not used in live virus vaccines like such as the MMR vaccine. Therefore it is impossible for aluminum in vaccines to cause Autism since it was only the MMR vaccine that was ever linked to Autism.
Posted by jyoung1
Lafayette
Member since May 2010
2123 posts
Posted on 8/31/23 at 6:04 pm to
My child is breastfed.
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
36311 posts
Posted on 8/31/23 at 6:06 pm to
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My child is breastfed.



And thus has more aluminum from you than it does from vaccines.
Posted by X123F45
Member since Apr 2015
27491 posts
Posted on 8/31/23 at 6:07 pm to
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Did you actually read the paper?


No. I opened his link. I checked funding. For giggles, I reviewed the data selection methods.

Their conclusions don't matter.

The data selections CANNOT include estimations. They admit estimations in their selections.

Estimations are a normative bias.

Everything past that point is invalid because of it.

Once again, there is no partial credit.
Posted by X123F45
Member since Apr 2015
27491 posts
Posted on 8/31/23 at 6:09 pm to
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No where did I say I wanted it in layman's terms as 'you saw them.'


You are correct.

I misread it as discreet.

That error is mine.
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
36311 posts
Posted on 8/31/23 at 6:09 pm to
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No. I opened his link. I checked funding


Which again, isn't an argument. You didn't present any evidence to further your claim on this point. Since you have trouble with argumentation, do you want to know how you could have strengthened this claim?

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The data selections CANNOT include estimations. They admit estimations in their selections.



You should read the paper.

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Once again, there is no partial credit.



And there is no partial credit for checking the soundness of a particular claim. Do you understand how argumentation works?
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
40194 posts
Posted on 8/31/23 at 6:09 pm to
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Then you should leave it to the people who are (aka real doctors).


Are you making the argument that all medical doctors are virology experts now?



No. I never make arguments about ALL in anything. However the authors of the study that you object to are experts in virology. I would also like to reclassify my previous statement. I would now like it to say that you should lead it to the people who have more expertise in virology than you (aka real doctors). I am confident that any real doctor knows more about virology than you.
Posted by jyoung1
Lafayette
Member since May 2010
2123 posts
Posted on 8/31/23 at 6:10 pm to
No sir, aluminum that is ingested is excreted from the body through digestive system. Aluminum that is injected is not excreted by digestive system, and studies show it becomes deposited into brain, permanently.
This post was edited on 8/31/23 at 6:12 pm
Posted by rickgrimes
Member since Jan 2011
4181 posts
Posted on 8/31/23 at 6:11 pm to
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Plenty of validity to this but our authorities have done incalculable damage to this argument over the last 4 years.

MRNA vaccines are different than the regular vaccines that kids have been safely getting for decades now. I think people who conflate the two are doing it to score political points mostly.
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
36311 posts
Posted on 8/31/23 at 6:11 pm to
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You are correct.

I misread it as discreet.

That error is mine.


You misread it as a word that doesn't even include your eventual description? Are you an idiot or just dishonest?
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
40194 posts
Posted on 8/31/23 at 6:11 pm to
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My child is breastfed.



Which means your child ingested or will ingest (if your child is not 6 months old yet) 7mg of aluminum in the 1st 6 months of life.
Posted by jyoung1
Lafayette
Member since May 2010
2123 posts
Posted on 8/31/23 at 6:12 pm to
Injest vs inject good sir.
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
40194 posts
Posted on 8/31/23 at 6:12 pm to
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Once again, there is no partial credit.



Which is why you academics can't function in the real world.
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
36311 posts
Posted on 8/31/23 at 6:13 pm to
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Aluminum that is injected is not excreted by digestive system.



No, they are both excreted. You are incorrect.
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
40194 posts
Posted on 8/31/23 at 6:15 pm to
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Injest vs inject good sir.


One way or another it enters the blood stream.

BTW you have not addressed why you think aluminum causes Autism despite the fact that it was never an ingredient in the vaccine linked to Autism?
Posted by X123F45
Member since Apr 2015
27491 posts
Posted on 8/31/23 at 6:16 pm to
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You misread it as a word that doesn't even include your eventual description?


Is subdued and unostentatious not close enough to layman's terms for you?

I must bow out. Time to deal with actual morons.
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
36311 posts
Posted on 8/31/23 at 6:18 pm to
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Is subdued and unostentatious not close enough to layman's terms for you?



Oh my god. 'Careful and circumspect in one's speech' as in discreet absolutely isn't a synonym for 'a person without professional or specialized knowledge.' You are being straight up dishonest here. This is one of the more wild claims I've ever read on here. Just absolute smooth-brained nonsense.
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