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re: Plot Twist: Truth Social tipped off the FBI about Craig Robertson
Posted on 8/11/23 at 10:58 am to DisplacedBuckeye
Posted on 8/11/23 at 10:58 am to DisplacedBuckeye
quote:Based on the fact that they knew if they did an armed raid at his home, that he was more likely to resist with force. It’s called common fricking sense.
Yep, this was basically an execution by the FBI.
Based on what?
Are you saying this is bullshite:
If the FBI were an ethical agency, they would have easily devised a plan to apprehend this 75 year old man with a minimal chance of resistance.
He threatened to kill the President in Utah right? So you surveil him when the President is in town. If he gets in his vehicle, you make a road stop with several law enforcement vehicles. Once again, a suspect in a vehicle is way more vulnerable to gunfire, and most likely lightly armed while driving a vehicle than they are in their home.
When you raid a suspect in their home, the odds of a shootout are much higher and more likely than in their vehicle.
It’s like the difference between cornering a wild animal in their den, versus dropping a net on them while they’re walking around.
Posted on 8/11/23 at 11:07 am to bhtigerfan
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Based on the fact that they knew if they did an armed raid at his home, that he was more likely to resist with force. It’s called common fricking sense.
It is not some novel plot for law enforcement to show up outside a person's home with an arrest warrant and order them outside with their hands up. That is not unreasonable in any way.
Posted on 8/11/23 at 11:14 am to bhtigerfan
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When you raid a suspect in their home, the odds of a shootout are much higher and more likely than in their vehicle.
Had they done this in public, and an innocent bystander was killed or taken prisoner, you would be criticizing the FBI for being reckless.
Posted on 8/11/23 at 11:19 am to bhtigerfan
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Based on the fact that they knew if they did an armed raid at his home, that he was more likely to resist with force. It’s called common fricking sense.
Were they not armed in previous visits to his home?
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He threatened to kill the President in Utah right? So you surveil him when the President is in town. If he gets in his vehicle, you make a road stop with several law enforcement vehicles. Once again, a suspect in a vehicle is way more vulnerable to gunfire, and most likely lightly armed while driving a vehicle than they are in their home.
So you let him leave a controlled environment, go for a drive, and hope that when you stop him, it's in a good spot where you have an advantage with no bystanders?
Posted on 8/11/23 at 5:49 pm to bhtigerfan
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Yep, this was basically an execution by the FBI.
Based on what?
Are you saying this is bullshite:
Based on the fact that they knew if they did an armed raid at his home, that he was more likely to resist with force. It’s called common fricking sense.
If the FBI were an ethical agency, they would have easily devised a plan to apprehend this 75 year old man with a minimal chance of resistance.
He threatened to kill the President in Utah right? So you surveil him when the President is in town. If he gets in his vehicle, you make a road stop with several law enforcement vehicles. Once again, a suspect in a vehicle is way more vulnerable to gunfire, and most likely lightly armed while driving a vehicle than they are in their home.
When you raid a suspect in their home, the odds of a shootout are much higher and more likely than in their vehicle.
It’s like the difference between cornering a wild animal in their den, versus dropping a net on them while they’re walking around.
Literally everything you've said here is completely wrong. As a law enforcement officer, the last thing you want is an unpredictable, wide open situation to unfold in public where innocent bystanders could become victims; of either the perpetrator going rogue and firing shots/running in their vehicle, or a stray shot from an officer.
You claim a suspect in a vehicle is "more vulnerable to gunfire" so that should be the preferred method, which is a completely asinine way to think about this. It's an officer's CORE duty to protect the innocent and vulnerable from criminals, but you want a shootout in moving vehicles on public roads because the perp is more vulnerable to gunfire that way? Holy shite.
You absolutely want to apprehend someone like this that has shown that they're armed and dangerous, and cantankerous towards law enforcement, in a controlled, pre-planned environment without innocent bystanders present. I can assure you the officers and agents present did not expect this would turn into a shootout, but they had a plan to counteract that involved surrounding his home if it did.
It's impossible to plan for an arrest out in a public place the same way you can pre-plan for an arrest surrounding a home, where you know the perp will be contained.
Source: am a US Marshal
This post was edited on 8/11/23 at 5:55 pm
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