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re: Non-Political Mississippi River Question

Posted on 8/1/23 at 3:47 pm to
Posted by BRich
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Posted on 8/1/23 at 3:47 pm to
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If I understand the geography and hydrography of New Orleans and points south, historically (before dredging) the Mississippi basically became non-navigable for large vessels downstream of New Orleans as it spread into delta, making it necessary to use the Pontchartrain for ocean access. Is that correct?


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In a nutshell, but the merchant ships at the time were much smaller. Most could go into Lake Pontchatrain or up the river without much problem. New Orleans had access to both, and they even built a link between the two in the form of MRGO, which actually caused massive flooding to New Orleans and Chalmette during Katrina.

Once they put the levees up in the 20th century, the delta was more controlled in the main channel and the sediment was more constantly suspended in faster current (and carried farther out). So it didn't require as much dredging by the early 1900's. They still have to do it, but the river flow doesn't fan out over the marsh like it used to.

There is a plan in place that's actually fully funded to add a new outflow channel to put more sediment rich river water into the marsh south of New Orleans. In past events 20-30 years ago, they noticed flooding from the river on the east side way south of New orleans was actually causing the marsh to silt back up and create new land. So they are doing that again on the west side, only this time on purpose.

Louisiana is actually starting to get pretty innovative with rebuilding their coast line from the impact of erosion. I just wish it was moving much faster. The fishing industry is fighting it hard but they have ultimately lost this one.


Goofball's answer was close, but not entirely correct.

"making it necessary to use the Pontchartrain for ocean access. Is that correct?"

Nope. As Goofball pointed out, merchant ships at the time were much smaller. But Lake Pontchartrain is a really a shallow pond (average depth of 10-12') and as such was rarely used for ocean-going sailing vessels.

"they even built a link between the two in the form of MRGO, which actually caused massive flooding to New Orleans and Chalmette during Katrina"

MRGO-- the Mississippi River Gulf Outlet-- does NOT connect Lake Pontchartrain and the Mississippi. It was completed in 1965 as a "short cut" for ocean-going vessels to access open waters of the Gulf.

What you are thinking of is the Inner Harbor Navigation Canal or IHNC, commonly called the Industrial Canal. Completed in 1923, it links the river to Lake Pontchartrain, but uses a set of locks to do so as the two waterways are at different elevations (river is higher; Lake Pontchartrain is essentially sea level). The Industrial Canal was built more for smaller cargo boats, barge traffic, etc. to allow access for boats bringing resources from "across the lake" or over in coastal Mississippi. It was never a "back door" for commercial ocean-going traffic.

The Industrial Canal was later incorporated into the Gulf Intracoastal Waterway (GIWW), a barge-oriented commercial waterway. When it was originally created in the 1930s, the GIWW had a route using the river, the IHNC, the Lake and the Rigolets to access Lake Borgne and the Mississippi Sound, but during World War II the GIWW was rerouted, with a newly excavated segment extending through the swamps west from the Rigolets joining the Industrial Canal at its approximate midway point between the river and the lake.

Schematic layout showing each:


Color representation. Blue line - 1923; green line - 1944; red line - 1965:


"Once they put the levees up in the 20th century, the delta was more controlled in the main channel and the sediment was more constantly suspended in faster current (and carried farther out)."

This wasn't a function of the levees, but a function of the jetties placed at the passes at the mouths of the river. In the late 1800s, silt sandbars often prevented ships from sailing in and out of the Mississippi River basin. Engineer James Eads postulated that jetties could solve the problem. Eads made a deal with Congress: he would build the jetties at his own expense, and if they maintained a 30-foot channel, Congress would then pay for the jetties.

In 1875, Eads built two parallel piers far out into the Gulf at the river's South Pass, which he predicted would narrow the river and increase its current. The concentrated current would then cut its own channel through the sandbar.

Eads’s jetties were completed in 1879 and maintained a 30-foot channel, eliminating the silt buildup, and opening up the mouth of the Mississippi once again to ships. New Orleans went from ninth largest port in the US to the second largest, just behind New York.





This post was edited on 8/9/23 at 11:20 am
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 8/1/23 at 4:40 pm to
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Goofball's answer was close, but not entirely correct.

"making it necessary to use the Pontchartrain for ocean access. Is that correct?"

Nope. As Goofball pointed out, merchant ships at the time were much smaller. But Lake Pontchartrain is a really a shallow pond (average depth of 10-12') and as such was rarely used for ocean-going sailing vessels.

"they even built a link between the two in the form of MRGO, which actually caused massive flooding to New Orleans and Chalmette during Katrina"


In the 18th century, when the city was founded (and for a number of years thereafter), merchant sailing vessels were coming into Lake Pontchartrain and up into Bayou St. John.

Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
42941 posts
Posted on 8/1/23 at 5:03 pm to
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BRich
Interesting stuff. You seem very knowledgeable.

In the 19th century and before construction of those jetties in 1875, where did large merchant ships dock?

I am trying to get a feel for New Orleans river and ocean traffic during the period leading up to Texas independence and during the period of the Republic (say, 1821-1845 or so)

I have found old maps, but most do not show the docks. One from 1863 shows several large piers (maybe jetties?) jutting far out into the Pontchartrain, but none on the Mississippi itself.

Another, from 1845, shows docks/quays along the entire length of the Left Bank, everywhere in the city. One continuous set of docks.



A map from 1723 shows no docks or quays or anything else at all along the river (but calls the Mississippi the "St.Louis Fleuve") nor does this one from 1795 (with palisade walls?):

This post was edited on 8/1/23 at 7:19 pm
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