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re: Police Absurdities

Posted on 6/27/23 at 7:51 am to
Posted by Jimbeaux
Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 6/27/23 at 7:51 am to
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Heck, the "I smell something" one is an easy one. There are cops out there who have records where less than 10% of their "I smell something" searches turn up anything.


A, marijuana is very easy to detect by smell, and for years seemed to be a very reasonable basis for probable cause.

B, because it lingers and can be easily transferred by other smokers, it was recently ruled unconstitutional as a basis alone for probable cause.

So your point is moot on this one. Besides, how disingenuous you are for simply saying “I smell something”, knowing full well that marijuana and other drugs like crack have a very distinctive smell.

Posted by Worthy Adversary
Member since Jun 2023
128 posts
Posted on 6/27/23 at 7:57 am to
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A, marijuana is very easy to detect by smell, and for years seemed to be a very reasonable basis for probable cause.

Yep. It is. Which makes it all the more crazy how low the hit rate is for officers using "I smell something" to justify a search.

This is a great example of, "if you give people the ability to lie without risk AND incentive searching cars....you're probably gonna get a lot of lying".

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B, because it lingers and can be easily transferred by other smokers, it was recently ruled unconstitutional as a basis alone for probable cause.

And yet, it is still routinely used because it's pretty damned easy to tell 2 lies if you're already gonna tell one.

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So your point is moot on this one. Besides, how disingenuous you are for simply saying “I smell something”, knowing full well that marijuana and other drugs like crack have a very distinctive smell.

No, the FACT they have a distinctive smell is precisely why I know this is a problem.

Some officers have less than a 10% hit rate on their "smell something" searches.

THAT is called lying. Cause as you said, it's pretty damned distinctive.
Posted by Dex Morgan
Member since Nov 2022
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Posted on 6/27/23 at 8:02 am to
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and other drugs like crack have a very distinctive smell.


I would have absolutely no idea what crack smells like. I wouldn't think it would be common for the majority of the population to be able to identify it.
Posted by Worthy Adversary
Member since Jun 2023
128 posts
Posted on 6/27/23 at 8:04 am to
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A, marijuana is very easy to detect by smell,
Also, the problem with allowing "I smell something" isn't that it SHOULD be a decent metric. It's that there is exactly zero ability to cross examine someone's nose.

We need to stop acting like cops aren't human. Like they aren't prone to take advantage if you give them such a goddamned wide open window to lie.

Just like telling everyone its a horrible crime to question women screaming rape led inevitably to women realizing they could lie with ease.....or telling minorities they can scream bigotry without repurcussions led to tons of lying...........telling cops who have an incentive to search cars that they can use their damned noses as justification.............
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