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Muschamp is a Saban...

Posted on 11/20/08 at 8:19 pm
Posted by BamaScoop
Panama City Beach, Florida
Member since May 2007
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Posted on 11/20/08 at 8:19 pm
...clone. I was just watching him during halftime of the Miami/Ga. Tech game and he looks just like Saban raising hell on the sideline. I would love to have this guy if Saban leaves.
Posted by JPLSU1981
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2005
28264 posts
Posted on 11/20/08 at 8:45 pm to
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clone. I was just watching him during halftime of the Miami/Ga. Tech game and he looks just like Saban raising hell on the sideline. I would love to have this guy if Saban leaves.


I disagree. I think Saban, while he can go ape-shite on the sidelines at times, is generally more "under control" than Muschamp. I personally think Texas made a mistake in the hire of an unproven head coach in Muschamp. He's a wild card and may prove to be a great head coach, but I doubt he will succeed at that level as a head coach with that type of personality.

I prefer my head coach to be a little more under control. I would have crapped my pants if our head coach had a "I'm a man, I'm 40!!" speech. I want my head coach to be more Presidential like a Mac Brown or Jim Tressel. You never see the President go ape-shite, because the President ALWAYS has to be in control, he can't afford not to be.

This post was edited on 11/20/08 at 8:46 pm
Posted by Ringeaux
North Carolina
Member since Jan 2008
2020 posts
Posted on 11/20/08 at 8:52 pm to
Anyone can go apeshit 24/7 on the sideline. Texas defense is ranked 63 (ncaa.com under stats) Hardly Saban-like.





ps






(And I dont give a shite that it's the Big 12)
Posted by TigerBandAlumnus82
Pensacola,FL
Member since Jul 2007
3104 posts
Posted on 11/21/08 at 2:05 am to
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I would love to have this guy if Saban leaves.


It's not a matter of IF, but WHEN........
Posted by rookdog
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2006
843 posts
Posted on 11/21/08 at 7:24 am to
BamaScoop, you are a great poster on this board and I have said it before, but why do you think a good sign a of a quality coach is seeing them go ape shite on the sidelines. I have always thought a great leader is one who is cool and calm during when the team is at its best and worst. JMO
Posted by guttata
prairieville
Member since Feb 2006
22614 posts
Posted on 11/21/08 at 7:26 am to
Look where Muschamp has been.
LSU- Saban (def. minded) ran the D
Miami- same as above
Auburn- Tubbs (def. minded) ran the D
UT- he has had tons of points and yards put up on him this year.

UT giving Muschamp the reins will be a huge mistake. 5 years from now, Muschamp isn't going to still be one of the hot up and comers.
Posted by Roughneck
Member since Feb 2005
8236 posts
Posted on 11/21/08 at 10:22 am to
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Auburn- Tubbs (def. minded) ran the D
Tubbs did not run the D in 06/07. I assure you.
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UT- he has had tons of points and yards put up on him this year.
While facing the most offensive firepower anyone in the nation has gone up against this season, while starting a sophomore and two freshman in the secondary, and with the defense with not even a full year under his system.
Posted by whomewhat
Member since Jan 2004
765 posts
Posted on 11/21/08 at 11:03 am to
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I disagree. I think Saban, while he can go ape-shite on the sidelines at times, is generally more "under control" than Muschamp.

Exactly. Saban genrally just goes ape shite when a player blows an assignent. Muschamps is much more enthusiastic when something good happens as well. He's a lot more rah rah than Saban.
Posted by JPLSU1981
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2005
28264 posts
Posted on 11/21/08 at 11:38 am to
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While facing the most offensive firepower anyone in the nation has gone up against this season, while starting a sophomore and two freshman in the secondary, and with the defense with not even a full year under his system.


So according to this paragraph, Mallory and Peveto have done a good job this year ??

LSU is ranked #27 in total defense and has faced 6 of the Top 60 totall offenses in their 10 games played this year (3 of the top25 total offenses!)

Just sayin.
Posted by Roughneck
Member since Feb 2005
8236 posts
Posted on 11/21/08 at 11:56 am to
Facing 3 of the Top 25 ain't too bad.

Facing 4 of the Top 7 is.

It should also be noted that while we are giving up a shitload of yards through the air, we are allowing less than 20 PPG.
Posted by guttata
prairieville
Member since Feb 2006
22614 posts
Posted on 11/21/08 at 3:12 pm to
These coaches are only hot for so long. Muschamp needs to take a hc job before people cool on him. I remember a few years back when the Iowa coach seemed like a can't miss and he could have named where he wanted to go and just 3 years later, nobody wants the guy. I don't get why UT is so scared of losing him. Why not let the guy get some hc experience and when Brown is ready to step down just hire Muschamp. Let UT lose a couple games each year and who they would rather, Muschamp or the new hot coach on the market.
Posted by Rocket
Member since Mar 2004
61117 posts
Posted on 11/22/08 at 8:34 am to
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These coaches are only hot for so long. Muschamp needs to take a hc job before people cool on him.


And people could cool on him if he took another job and yielded average results.

He can stay hot by improving the defense, which will take time.

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I don't get why UT is so scared of losing him.


Because if Mack Brown and Texas want to win another national title, there best bet is by keeping Muschamp. They should start out high in the polls next fall with Muschamp and McCoy coming back.

And that is obviously what Texas wants to do.

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Why not let the guy get some hc experience and when Brown is ready to step down just hire Muschamp


Why not keep him and increase your chances of winning a national title in the next few years for Mack?

Why are you worried about it? If he takes over and he fails, they can fire him. He won't be the first or the last to be canned.

And you're wrong about who was running the defense when he was at LSU, Miami, and Auburn.

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Let UT lose a couple games each year and who they would rather, Muschamp or the new hot coach on the market.


Or they can keep him, win a national title and his name be even more popular than it is now.

You're not thinking about the short term. It's a great move in that regard. And if he takes over and doesn't experience success, they can and probably will fire him. But, I don't think that'll be the case. You don't always have to have head coaching experience to succeed. Stoops, Fulmer, and Richt didn't have any head coaching experience
Posted by guttata
prairieville
Member since Feb 2006
22614 posts
Posted on 11/22/08 at 8:44 am to
Brown isn't going anywhere as long as he's successful. Once the program starts to show chinks in the armor, he'll move on to AD or something and UT will be stuck with Muschamp. He may turn out a good hc, but no way would I be thrilled about locking up a guy that has only 1 true year of coaching defense by himself. He was the D cood in name at LSU and Miami. Everyone knows who ran those Defs. He wasn't even his own guy at Auburn.
Posted by Rocket
Member since Mar 2004
61117 posts
Posted on 11/22/08 at 9:00 am to
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Brown isn't going anywhere as long as he's successfu


How do you know? You've talked to him? You can read his mind? You don't know. He may retire next fall for all you know.

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Once the program starts to show chinks in the armor, he'll move on to AD or something and UT will be stuck with Muschamp.


Are you a closet Texas fan? Why do you care? Sticking with Muschamp just may prove to be a good thing. Nobody knows how this will work out in the long run.

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He may turn out a good hc, but no way would I be thrilled about locking up a guy that has only 1 true year of coaching defense by himself.


I have a pretty good idea of what you mean when you say "by himself" and I'm not sure why people are so stuck on this. He said it himself that when he was here, he ran the defense during practice and game day responsibilities were his and that he and Nick game planned togther. Do you feel Mack Brown doesn't sit in the meeting rooms with him and the rest of the coaches? I don't think most coaches are like Spurrier and his obsession with offense.

But, I understand. With you and other folks, there is a lot of ambiguity there and you don't know one way or the other on who called the plays when he was at Auburn or LSU. So in order to be sure he's good in your mind, he has to coach for an offensive minded coach and put out good defenses then.

And Texas fans appear to be pretty pumped up about this move.

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He was the D cood in name at LSU and Miami


No, he wasn't. He was calling plays. Nick wasn't just telling him what to run and then Will call it in to the defense.

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Everyone knows who ran those Defs


Obviously not

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He wasn't


So, you're basically saying that John Lovett, Chizik, Gibbs, Muschamp and Rhoads have gotten paid at Auburn to just send in the plays that Tuberville has called?
This post was edited on 11/22/08 at 9:20 am
Posted by guttata
prairieville
Member since Feb 2006
22614 posts
Posted on 11/22/08 at 12:57 pm to
Yep. When they decided to send in their own plays, they ended up having to find another job.
Posted by Rocket
Member since Mar 2004
61117 posts
Posted on 11/22/08 at 12:59 pm to
Posted by midlandstiger
Member since Nov 2008
8 posts
Posted on 11/23/08 at 1:02 pm to
Did you not see. Muschamp staying at Texas.
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