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re: Planted summer plots today
Posted on 7/25/23 at 1:49 pm to The Levee
Posted on 7/25/23 at 1:49 pm to The Levee
Completely agree..when someone has a thought, idea or process someone somewhere is going to find the worse case scenario to prove them wrong. I would say we are closes to Regen#4. I have no doubt with all the grass we have this year spring spray will be necessary. I will also do soil sample to get good look at the health of our soil.
Posted on 7/25/23 at 8:17 pm to Recovered
did my soil samples on 7 plots today at 4pm....it was a lot tougher than i thought lol. Almost died.
Posted on 7/25/23 at 9:04 pm to The Levee
Levee, just listened to this podcast and I’m really glad to know MSU is doing this experiment. Thanks!
I’ve got my 5-yr experiment going, and my 2nd warm season crop is smothered by weeds, sad sight. I’ve been debating with myself about whether or not to use herbicide in the fall just about decided “yes”, and this podcast confirms it to me.
Most of what they said sounds familiar, I’m really glad to hear a scientific study will attempt to quantify some of the regen benefits.
They mentioned weather being a big factor, and I have had one yr too dry and one too wet, so I’m ready for just right moisture next year, maybe. Weather has been a big obstacle for me. Neighbor’s cows too. But it’s a long game. I think it’s encouraging just to know MSU has given regen credibility.
I’ve got my 5-yr experiment going, and my 2nd warm season crop is smothered by weeds, sad sight. I’ve been debating with myself about whether or not to use herbicide in the fall just about decided “yes”, and this podcast confirms it to me.
Most of what they said sounds familiar, I’m really glad to hear a scientific study will attempt to quantify some of the regen benefits.
They mentioned weather being a big factor, and I have had one yr too dry and one too wet, so I’m ready for just right moisture next year, maybe. Weather has been a big obstacle for me. Neighbor’s cows too. But it’s a long game. I think it’s encouraging just to know MSU has given regen credibility.
Posted on 7/26/23 at 6:54 am to 76Forest
Weather, timing, and browse pressure seem to be major hurdles for us trying throw and mow no-till methods. I really don’t se us ever doing away with herbicide.
Posted on 7/26/23 at 8:36 am to 76Forest
If you listen to some of the older MSU podcast, or some of Drop Tine Seed podcast, Jason Snavely has been a big reason why they have considered regenerative foodploting. If you have never listened to Drop Tine, I highly recommend his stuff. Years ago, I listened to one where he talked about frost seeding clover, chickory, and possibly alfalfa. My Dad and I tried it as he mentioned, and all I can say is Wow! I plots exploded in the spring green up.
I was telling Levee yesterday about my plan for food plots this year. Almost all of my plots this year are going to be on never tilled or worked soil. They are areas that I have freshly brush cut this year. They have been wooded for at least the last 40-50 years, but probably the last hundred plus years.
One of the spots I burned in march, then came back and brush cut it down in April. It's about 1.5 acres. I am going to rebrush cut it in August, then burn the debris the following day. Then come back 1 month later and drill it with seed. No herbicide on this plot because the August burn should kill most all of the woody structure.
On the next spot, I brush cut in late May, and burned it the next day. It has grown back with Hairy Cluster vine, but there are quite a few forbs growing beneath the hairy cluster vine. I haven't decided if I am going to cut and burn, or spray and drill into the top. That will probably be an August decision. The late May burn seems to have killed most of the woody structure that was in this 1.5 acre plot area.
The third spot will only be a spot blot that is drilled into an area that was burnt 2 weeks ago. It will be a game time decision to see what the results are like from the July burn. This plot will be 10 ft strips mixed into old field habitat.
The 4th spot is a 4 acre old field habitat area. I will make about 1 acre a food plot, and then I plan to strip plant a few 10 ft strips in the middle of the old field area. I plan to burn the 1 acre area and the wooded hillside that is next to it. For the strips, I am going to have to spray in August, then cut early September and drill in late September. I have 1 other spot that is about 2 acres that I plan to plant about a 1/2 acre into the middle of it.
I do not plan to fertilize anything because this is all rich healthy soil that hasn't been disturbed for years. The Microbs in the soil are rich and healthy. I don't want to damage that, but I want to work with it.
I was telling Levee yesterday about my plan for food plots this year. Almost all of my plots this year are going to be on never tilled or worked soil. They are areas that I have freshly brush cut this year. They have been wooded for at least the last 40-50 years, but probably the last hundred plus years.
One of the spots I burned in march, then came back and brush cut it down in April. It's about 1.5 acres. I am going to rebrush cut it in August, then burn the debris the following day. Then come back 1 month later and drill it with seed. No herbicide on this plot because the August burn should kill most all of the woody structure.
On the next spot, I brush cut in late May, and burned it the next day. It has grown back with Hairy Cluster vine, but there are quite a few forbs growing beneath the hairy cluster vine. I haven't decided if I am going to cut and burn, or spray and drill into the top. That will probably be an August decision. The late May burn seems to have killed most of the woody structure that was in this 1.5 acre plot area.
The third spot will only be a spot blot that is drilled into an area that was burnt 2 weeks ago. It will be a game time decision to see what the results are like from the July burn. This plot will be 10 ft strips mixed into old field habitat.
The 4th spot is a 4 acre old field habitat area. I will make about 1 acre a food plot, and then I plan to strip plant a few 10 ft strips in the middle of the old field area. I plan to burn the 1 acre area and the wooded hillside that is next to it. For the strips, I am going to have to spray in August, then cut early September and drill in late September. I have 1 other spot that is about 2 acres that I plan to plant about a 1/2 acre into the middle of it.
I do not plan to fertilize anything because this is all rich healthy soil that hasn't been disturbed for years. The Microbs in the soil are rich and healthy. I don't want to damage that, but I want to work with it.
Posted on 7/26/23 at 10:16 am to Restoringtheground
Awesome!
I hear alfalfa is tough and good to grow. And deer love it! Grows well in SWMS I mean.
I hear alfalfa is tough and good to grow. And deer love it! Grows well in SWMS I mean.
Posted on 7/26/23 at 10:25 am to The Levee
Sorry, the frost seed experiment with Alfalfa was in southern Missouri.
I do want to try it in Mississippi and see how it grows. I’ve always heard that our area is a little to hit for it.
I do want to try it in Mississippi and see how it grows. I’ve always heard that our area is a little to hit for it.
Posted on 9/17/23 at 9:44 am to Restoringtheground
Not replying to you specifically, but the Land and Legacy podcast seems to be getting more outspoken against regenerative plotting practices. While I feel I’ve been a bit of a fanboy for no-till, I tend to agree with them. Seems like most of the failures they’re seeing are resulting from reluctance to use herbicide by regenerative plotters, less so from no-tilling or from use of mixes.
Posted on 9/17/23 at 11:57 am to turkish
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Land and Legacy podcast seems to be getting more outspoken against regenerative plotting practices.
Yea, I have noticed that myself. Their opinion on this matter isn’t going to change my mind, at this time. I know I might have to use some chemicals, tillage, soil amendments or other management practices, but I’m going to try to keep those practices to a minimum. Just by switching to no-till I am going to save money and time. Plus, are these problematic areas managed the way they should be? I look at it like a farmer would. I would imagine every farmer you know has a consultant. Even 3rd+ generation farmers have them. Don’t you think they know how to “farm” by then? Of course they do, but they still use a consultant.
Posted on 9/17/23 at 1:17 pm to Outdoorreb
Seems like a lot of examples were of folks not using herbicide at all. I don’t see that being possible down here. We also struggle with the example they recently gave of excessive deer population making it impossible to get the growth needed for the system work.
I, too, like it for the time aspect.
I, too, like it for the time aspect.
Posted on 9/17/23 at 4:34 pm to turkish
We are committed to giving it a try.
We are going to start roller crimping and continuing to no till drill. Going to use drop tine seeds and considering bringing him in as a consultant. Time will tell but if we can make it work will be a real game changer.
We are going to start roller crimping and continuing to no till drill. Going to use drop tine seeds and considering bringing him in as a consultant. Time will tell but if we can make it work will be a real game changer.
Posted on 9/17/23 at 9:33 pm to turkish
This is not the year to go cold turkey on herbicide if you ask me. You have to snuff out the weeds and in a drought year, it’s tough
Based on my research…..
That’s why those podcasters are seemingly against Regen. It’s not that they don’t want us to be successful….they just don’t want us to come in and fail and waste years due to weeds. They said it becomes too thick without significant browse pressure and weeds for turkey and deer to even travel through. They said they see it all the time.
So, I’d strongly suggest using herbicide the first few years. Heck, even Grant Woods suggests using it at first.
Based on my research…..
That’s why those podcasters are seemingly against Regen. It’s not that they don’t want us to be successful….they just don’t want us to come in and fail and waste years due to weeds. They said it becomes too thick without significant browse pressure and weeds for turkey and deer to even travel through. They said they see it all the time.
So, I’d strongly suggest using herbicide the first few years. Heck, even Grant Woods suggests using it at first.
This post was edited on 9/17/23 at 9:36 pm
Posted on 9/18/23 at 6:23 am to The Levee
We are not against that at all we are going to roll a few fields in the next week to see if it will even kill anything (based on my research I don't believe it will) If that is the case we will need to spray and we are prepared to do that. We sprayed in the spring before planting and our hope is to get away from it but we likely will have to this fall.
Posted on 9/18/23 at 2:54 pm to Da Hammer
Is there anywhere that rents drill seeder to pull behind an ATV?
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