re: What would have happened if Han & Chewie had killed Vader in Episode 4?

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Would that have happened though? Luke was lured on to the Death Star by Vader's presence. And still, the Rebel Alliance was blowing up that second Death Star either way. They didn't give a shite (or even know) Luke was still on board.

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Im stoned and may be missing something, but i was talking about a new hope, had vader died in new hope.

The Emperor would've pursued Luke as his next apprentice, throughout the galaxy. Luke would've needed more strength than he had in Empire to defeat and resist the Emperor. He would have failed. Through the encounters and visual representation of Vader, Luke wouldn't have had the connection and power to resist, plus it was Vader who defeated the Emperor as well.

One of his proudest moments was proclaiming to the Emperor that he was a jedi, like his father before him. had he never known he was his father..it wouldn't have meant as much to him