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re: Permits to Purchase or Carry Arms are Infringements of Second Amendment Rights

Posted on 5/31/23 at 10:31 pm to
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 5/31/23 at 10:31 pm to
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The fact is that there is no 2A as it was intended,
That's right, but not for the reason you think. The 2A (and all of the Bill) were intended as limits on the FEDGOV's power. That is to say - explicitly - the states were free to regulate/ban firearms all they wanted.

Then the "activist" courts - which you no doubt hate - came along and started "incorporating" amendments one by one.
Posted by POTUS2024
Member since Nov 2022
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Posted on 6/1/23 at 4:41 am to
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That's right, but not for the reason you think. The 2A (and all of the Bill) were intended as limits on the FEDGOV's power. That is to say - explicitly - the states were free to regulate/ban firearms all they wanted.

Then the "activist" courts - which you no doubt hate - came along and started "incorporating" amendments one by one.


No. Those amendments reach down to the states as well. You seem to be suggesting that things like the 8th amendment doesn't attach to the states and they can just torture people if they want to, and so forth. I don't think that's a correct reading of the Constitution, Bill of Rights, and so forth. If you look at the things said by the Founders, the way the Constitution was written, the dialog about the Bill of Rights, and the language in those amendments, it seems obvious that the States were not put in a completely separate sphere with regard to the rights presented in the founding documents.

“A bill of rights is what the people are entitled to against any government on earth, general or particular, and what no government should refuse, or rest on inference.”

Thomas Jefferson to James Madison, December 20, 1787
Posted by Squirrelmeister
Member since Nov 2021
1893 posts
Posted on 6/1/23 at 7:21 am to
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Then the "activist" courts - which you no doubt hate - came along and started "incorporating" amendments one by one.


You’re part right. The Bill of Rights limited only the federal government.

Then good ole Abraham Lincoln sent an army down south and held the southern state legislatures at gunpoint in order to ratify the 14 amendment, which usurped the states sovereignty and applied the bill of rights to the state governments.

So it wasn’t the “activist courts” you mentioned. It was Abraham Lincoln. The worst President ever. The one responsible for more American deaths than any other.
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